Today's gamers.

[Covington]

The angst was necessary. Its equally as off-putting to be told the casual gamers are "dumbing" down the gaming world. I take offense to being told using research to figure out a solution, whether it be first try or 200th try, makes a person dumb and lazy. On the contrary, it makes us smarter as we didnt have to waste time, or our sanity "figuring it out for ourselves". If the information is available, the dumb people are the ones who need it and dont use it. Figuring out things for yourself is good and all, but remember, we have an educational system because its easier to have help learning then it is to teach yourself. Sure, you could teach yourself astrophysics, but wouldnt it be much more efficient to just to go college and learn it there? Same concept.

I think you just took it wrong. It wasn't meant to be attacking, and to come back with an attack isn't productive and it put us all off, probably still is.

Now I must go walk uphill, in the snow, both ways...

[Zabuza]

... I personally enjoy what we have now and can only imagine what we have to look forward to in another 30+ years....

Hopefully the Holodeck will be invented in our lifetime.

[Jax Bane]

As an avid forum goer, with the majority of my posts being helpful or insightful. I just thought I'd take the time to point out the "REAL" problem with gamers today.



I will however point out why this seems to be the case. With the advent of the internet, gamers no longer have to WORK to figure things out. If they get stuck they can simply pop on over to google or the likes, and find their answer. Why is this an issue? Because they aren't figuring it out for themselves, they are merely standing on the shoulders of anothers achievement.

This lack of effort, the lack of Trial and Error has lead to an increasingly stupid generation of gamers. With this, game developers(not pointing at you Trion) have had to dumb games down(Tomb Raider anyone?) I only recently got into TES but from what I hear Skyrim was not as complex as its predecessors.

TL;DR: Gamers are forcing developers to dumb down simple mechanics.

This is a great point you bring up. Yes being an older gamer I remember having to solve all the puzzles in games on my own with no help. Now I am an abuser of going online when I cant figure something out just to finish it. Sad but true. The game seems not to be the actual game, but the game now days seems to be go online and find the answer to move on. How strange it is. Yes I played the latest Tomb Raider I really enjoyed it. Case in point, the game was short and dummied down with all the cut scenes, but fun to play, good story line, and a good finish.

[baelrusk]

All hail Codebreaker.
Share with us your wisdom.

I have the opinion it's "Experience" that matters most with a gamer.
What did they try, when did they try, how did they try, etc....

One thing that kinda gets me about technological advancement though......it's TOO fast. Needs to start giving people time to catch up. I think that's actually one of the causes for under appreciation of games. Newer gamers get distracted by only the technology improvements. Given the right technology the best of looking awesomely realistic games can be there.......but that's the only advantage they have to the prior.

Remakes are sometimes perfect examples of that.
Take Megaman X for example
Megaman X from the SNES
vs
Megaman Maverick Hunter X remake done on the PSP which has wow.....3D graphics still done on a sidescrolling plain and some of the power ups are redistributed.
Same game but the remake on newer technology looks flashier and has an anime OP and voice acting.......though it is worth it for the unlockable character.

[Covington]

, BAM!!!! problem solved, now you have no reason to moan and groan on this thread about anything...like covington said " here's your cookie " lol

Ack! Okay wait - let's reel it it. And cookies are not bad things - I want a cookie now.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[chrismeyer34]

I had a thing for Erin...

lol, well i love buck rogers and all, but my thing was battlestar galactiga, dont know why but as a kid i would go crazy watching that show, maybe cuz i thought the chicks in that show were hot as hell lmao, same as in buck rogers too lol

[Zabuza]

Now I must go walk uphill, in the snow, both ways...

lmao

...everyday to go to school. Now they pick you up in a G**D*** Bus! Now get your *** to school!

[Covington]

lol, well i love buck rogers and all, but my thing was battlestar galactiga, dont know why but as a kid i would go crazy watching that show, maybe cuz i thought the chicks in that show were hot as hell lmao, same as in buck rogers too lol

The girls in the newer one were way hotter... not that I have reasons or anything (lucy=faint).

[Jax Bane]

The angst was necessary. Its equally as off-putting to be told the casual gamers are "dumbing" down the gaming world. I take offense to being told using research to figure out a solution, whether it be first try or 200th try, makes a person dumb and lazy. On the contrary, it makes us smarter as we didnt have to waste time, or our sanity "figuring it out for ourselves". If the information is available, the dumb people are the ones who need it and dont use it. Figuring out things for yourself is good and all, but remember, we have an educational system because its easier to have help learning then it is to teach yourself. Sure, you could teach yourself astrophysics, but wouldnt it be much more efficient to just to go college and learn it there? Same concept.

you are a bit mixed up but thats ok! It happens. the whole intent of a real game is to give you puzzles and the pleasures and satisfaction of figureing it out one your own. Some poeple learn better in a school and some people learn better in a library, either way they are learning something and thats whats important. The point this guy makes is valid, more players now days go to the net for answers then spend the time themselves to figure out the puzzle, which is not what the game companies intend for poeple to do. Now days they may but back in the day they didnt. Dummied down is just a general term and by no means is a direct attack on you.

[Covington]

lmao

...everyday to go to school. Now they pick you up in a G**D*** Bus! Now get your *** to school!

Here the parents insist on driving them, it's like a kris kristofferson convoy of minivans... the buses (we the tax payer run) are empty. Damn annoying.