so i cant reach the level cap without pvp?

[Umfafa]

I did somehow.

[Maixx]

Yes. This article covers all the means of increasing EGO rating at launch. You have to add another 115 points for all the Episode pursuits (I miscounted this before as 105 points), the 55 points from DLC 1, and the 15 points from the Competitive Multiplayer Dueler Pursuit for a total of 5201 points available in the current game with DLC 1. 195 of them are Competitive Multiplayer Pursuits, 20 of them are Echelon Reputation, and 40 of them are from EGO Evolution VI which requires Trusted status with the Echelon faction. 5201 - 255 = 4946 (10 points more than I posted before because of the addition error I made for points from Episode pursuits) so you shouldn't be able to get a 5000 EGO rating unless you achieve pursuits that require doing PvP content.

How are your episode content counted? When released there were more pursuits offered then the current (data recorder) and the replay content. But having them removed from my list I can not tell you how much. This is why launch characters have been able to hit 5k w/o pvp, but newer can't.

[Umfafa]

Yeah, there's something missing. I only started PVP after I hit 5K. I can't imagine I did more than one or two matches before that.

[Deunan]

How are your episode content counted? When released there were more pursuits offered then the current (data recorder) and the replay content. But having them removed from my list I can not tell you how much. This is why launch characters have been able to hit 5k w/o pvp, but newer can't.

I'm using the Defiance Data website as a resource for the pursuits available from the Episode Pursuits and DLC 1 but it's not infallible. It's missing the Dueler Competitive Multiplayer Pursuit. Can you check your Episode Pursuits in game to see if Defiance Data is missing any of them? I'm assuming that if you completed all of them they should all still be visible as completed pursuits.

[Umfafa]

I'll take a look. I've got a few PVP pursuits filled now though so it'll be kind of hard to figure out.

But, the only reason I wanted to do PVP was to get that blue sparkly shiny armor from that pursuit.

There's some slop in the numbers somewhere. Level everything up, and win all the races, all the clustershots or cluster****s or whatever they're called. You'll hit 5K before needing PVP.

[AmnesiaHaze]

wow someone bumped my super old thread , ive reached 5K btw by doing all pvp pursuits , it was a pain but a great feeling never having to play the pvp again once i was done

[Carnak]

No it's not. Again, that's Game Mechanics 101. Many, many games have such systems, or a hybrid thereof, including MMOs.

Name a single game that ties player level - no matter how flat Defiance's ego rating is, higher ego rating weapons are better - to achievements?

Name one, other than Defiance obviously.

Just one.

Achievements in most MMOs are completely optional extras. They generally reward players with titles and most players could take them or leave them. But playing Defiance knowing that it's impossible for me to get max ego rating without completing dreadful (at least for my tastes) content - well BLEEP that.

wow someone bumped my super old thread , ive reached 5K btw by doing all pvp pursuits , it was a pain but a great feeling never having to play the pvp again once i was done

I'm the culprit.

I could live with the PvP. I often enjoy it more than PvE. Less predictable. More of a challenge. Marvellous.

But after forcing myself to play those DLC1 arenas for a few days.... to the point where I wanted to do anything but play Defiance, there's just no way I can do any more of that ridiculous max-your-modifier content. I tried one the other day for an achievement but it's just too inane for me.

I like FPS because it's more realistic and engaging than the typical whack-a-mole cooldown driven combat of most RPGs. But Defiance is one step forward two steps back because of this kind of content.

I'm glad you managed to grind your way through the PvP to hit 5000 but unless they change this I'll never get there. Will check back in on the game in another six months but won't be holding my breath.

[Maixx]

What's your Ego level?
Are all your weapons/ vehicles and PVE pursuits done yet?
Are you perks finished?

Unless your capped out it is pointless worry/complain now, when the DLC's and episode replay add pursuits it will be easy enough to hit without pvp pursuits.

[Deunan]

Name a single game that ties player level - no matter how flat Defiance's ego rating is, higher ego rating weapons are better - to achievements?

Higher EGO rated weapons are not better. Weapons are better by their tier (Common, Uncommon, Rare, Epic and Legendary). It's easily possible to have an EGO rating 900 weapon that smokes an EGO rating 5000 one. By any objective standard higher EGO rated weapons are worse because they have little marketability while lower EGO rated ones are extremely marketable.

No one said EGO Rating is tied to leveling.

You still don't get it no matter how simply it's explained to you. EGO Rating is not a leveling system. It IS the in game achievements system. Claiming that it's a leveling system is about as valid as claiming that Xbox Gamerscore is a leveling system.

Achievements in most MMOs are completely optional extras.

It's optional in Defiance. Getting an EGO rating of 5000 is an achievement rating cap not a level cap. The only level caps for Defiance are level 20 for weapon and vehicle skills and 260 EGO points.