Please be careful with AOE weapons.

[Indra Echo]

Are you guys joking?

There's no friendly fire. I.e. if you throw a grenade at me nothing will happen.

This AND yes, early on people killing the skitterlings did make the arkfalls take a very long time and come close to even failing (though I only ever had one arkfall ever fail that was not glitched and that was a scrapper one). Lately, I've never had any red crystal part of the arkfall last more than a few minutes, even ones in San Francisco where there tend to be fewer players.

If people cannot use their AOE weapons at arkfalls, then it becomes awfully difficult to rank them up. Arkfalls are really one of the few places where some of these weapons do make sense and have a purpose. And the red crystals are damaged by them as well. The Mass Cannons and Swarm Rocket Launchers especially just are not as useful anywhere else except maybe at hellbug hillside and headfirst crater. Sometimes, they can be used in emergencies.

The thing is people often focus on some weapon they are trying to rank up. The way I handle it at arkfalls with whatever weapon I am using is I don't aim for the skitterlings, but I don't avoid them either. I do direct my attention to destroying the crystal and the large bugs but there will be skitterling deaths. Recently I have begun using larger AOE weapons-I have previously avoided them because (see above) and they don't seem to do that much damage or they're hit or miss unless you are attacking mobs. I don't care for the sludge cannons/weapons so I haven't really used them much so far.


My question for the OP is how ever do you stand coop? Almost everyone seems to used Detonators at least in coop (I sometimes do). They may make a lot of noise but they don't hurt you unless you stand too close to your own grenades.

[ManWithNoFace]

As annoying as it can be, it's even more annoying when people spam them at fast travel spots while you're trying to look at the vendors or compare items. Aggravates the hell out of me when I'm trying to figure out what to ditch and what to keep and all I hear in my headset is "BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMB OOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOO MBOOMBOOMBOOM"

[WeeohhWeeohh]

If people cannot use their AOE weapons at arkfalls, then it becomes awfully difficult to rank them up. Arkfalls are really one of the few places where some of these weapons do make sense and have a purpose. And the red crystals are damaged by them as well. The Mass Cannons and Swarm Rocket Launchers especially just are not as useful anywhere else except maybe at hellbug hillside and headfirst crater. Sometimes, they can be used in emergencies.

A couple things. Unless you are at a stand alone arkfall, you do not get xp...thus your weapon wont get xp to rank up. Also, AoE weapons are useful in almost every situation. Granted some may take a little fineness to use efficiently but when I was leveling rockets/detonators I used them constantly with no real problems other then running out of ammo.

The thing is people often focus on some weapon they are trying to rank up.

See above post. No weapon xp at major Arkfalls.

The way I handle it at arkfalls with whatever weapon I am using is I don't aim for the skitterlings, but I don't avoid them either.

You are doing it wrong and, I can't speak for everyone, I see you all as griefers. Some of you may not actually understand what you are doing, but it really grinds my gears. Mainly because I can knock out an arkfall ALONE faster then can be done when a handful of you guys are chewing up the skitters. Just sayen....

[Iceberg]

Wow...This is almost exactly what the Carfallers use to say. What are you Frank Sinatra?!? No. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and blowing the butt holes out of the skitters before they bite the Arkfall is the wrong fracken way. Just a bunch of kids trolling because they think they are cute.

Depends on what your objective is.

[Kroesis]

I'll use what I feel like using in a way I want to, to achieve the objective I want to achieve. Thanks.

[WeeohhWeeohh]

Depends on what your objective is.

I guess if their objective is to make loud noises and aggravate people to no end then they are doing a great job. Last time I checked the Arkfall kill counter hasn't reset on me soooooo...whats left....

I'll use what I feel like using in a way I want to, to achieve the objective I want to achieve. Thanks.

Not trying to be a jerk, but I hope you actually live in Scotland. Please stay out of xBox NA. We have far too many AoE-ers over here.

[Indra Echo]

A couple things. Unless you are at a stand alone arkfall, you do not get xp...thus your weapon wont get xp to rank up. Also, AoE weapons are useful in almost every situation. Granted some may take a little fineness to use efficiently but when I was leveling rockets/detonators I used them constantly with no real problems other then running out of ammo.



See above post. No weapon xp at major Arkfalls.



You are doing it wrong and, I can't speak for everyone, I see you all as griefers. Some of you may not actually understand what you are doing, but it really grinds my gears. Mainly because I can knock out an arkfall ALONE faster then can be done when a handful of you guys are chewing up the skitters. Just sayen....

No we are not griefers and I have not been at any arkfall recently that took long at all to complete so your concern that people are killing skitterlings that are needed for damage is still ridiculous. I'm sorry but it's so. And as I said I don't target them and how I handle it is I let them bite the thing and then I time the detonations to hit. I use grenades the same way. Yes, skitterlings do get hit but they also get hit with a lot of shotgun fire too. So what you basically want is a short list of the only weapons people are allowed to use at arkfalls. That means no grenades of any kind. And players then can only use SMGs, LMGs, certain shotguns, assault rifles, some rocket launchers and sniper rifles. Not everyone wants to use or be limited to your list of approved weapons. Sorry, but last I checked the money I used to buy my game and all the other stuff was my money and not yours. I am in no way hurting your game.

I'll repeat this for emphasis: I don't aim to hit the skitters, but I don't avoid them if they're in the way either. I don't just aim for the bitten spots but I persistently aim to damage the crystal and other bigger bugs.

And actually when I used my SMG it did rank up while I was doing a red crystal portion of an arkfall. Just today this happened and in one glitched arkfall where we were all running around shooting skitterlings, my Detonator ranked up. Maybe this is a new thing but in my game my weapons do get xp at major arkfalls from all kinds of things that you CAN kill.

And I'm not saying you can't use launchers in other situations but I am saying they are extremely efficient for the red crystal portion of arkfalls-certain ones are and others are good for the hellion or matron portion, but RLs seem to have a really high damage falloff except for the long range ones. In the matron stage of one arkfall I tried different launchers and tended to get about a tenth of the stated normal damage whereas with a SAW I was getting about a fifth.


The other thing is that it also seems that the use of certain AOE weapons does increase the drop count of a lot of things-I can't account for why since I know it's not crediting me with all the kills and I don't kill everything I hit but there is far more stuff laying around at crystals where I use the Mass cannon than with any other weapon, and I see everyone running for the stuff so it's not because of boosts or anything else.

And, part of doing any arkfall is because of the stuff (scrip, salvage, loot) you get. If you only do it for the keycodes and the two rewards you get at the end, then you're doing it wrong.

[WeeohhWeeohh]

I could be wrong about the weapon leveling at major arkfalls, I will admit that. Maybe they have indeed changed it. I have been using some capped weapons for those events for a while because they produce, in my mind, the most damage and gets me from point A to point B quickly and with great enjoyment.

I will also admit to being a little course with you and I apologies. When you said, "The way I handle it at arkfalls with whatever weapon I am using is I don't aim for the skitterlings, but I don't avoid them either." made my mind immediately jump to all the "people" using ground pounders, as well as other heavier hitting AoE weapons, to carpet the general area in and around the red salvage. I would like to apologies for jumping to conclusions. I have not seen your play-style in action and I had no right to lump you in with the actual griefers.

That does not change the fact that the OP is trying to, as many others have, shed light on the topic of adding 10 exta minutes to a Major Arkfall (start to finish that is) because you want to play it your way. I'm not gonna pull the "for the greater good" card, but think about everyone else for a second. If you want to do, lets say 3 major arkfalls in a sitting, that is roughly 20-30 minutes that is wasted because people either do not understand the mechanic of the encounter or just don't give a frack. Some people don't have a lot of time to game and those 20 or so minutes are stolen from them. Just a little insight on why people are so bent out of shape about this and previously Carfalls.

[Iceberg]

Some people try to get their 2,500 kills in a major ark fall as fast as they can, normally the hell bug destruction ones that spawn skitterlings keep spawning as long as the crystal is not damage beyond a certain point.

Before patch 1.020 you could get xp per kill on the hell bug extermination ark falls, but currently I am not receiving any so I am not sure if its just a weapon bug or if they did indeed change it.

As for ruining it for everyone else, there are more than one location in a major ark fall, and if you are worried that the ark fall you are on is the final one in the entire game, they will spawn a new one in around 10 minutes. If you want to go for max damage and get number one spot on the leader board more power to you, but whatever you gain for xp/keys/loot someone who one shots an enemy can get also. Not a perfect system and yes it does need fixed in that regards, but some players will play their way and others another way.

I wish I can stop people from self reviving at the ark falls, but crying about it in Area chat won't fix anything. There is even a pursuit to kill steal, I am surprised I have not seen any threads about players killing bugs that someone else claimed was theirs.

[crasher]

Are you guys joking?

There's no friendly fire. I.e. if you throw a grenade at me nothing will happen.

A lot happens, but no, no damage to you.
The scene is in constant disruption and players trying to proceed with play can't see anything through all the flashbang.

You can't seriously claim you haven't noticed that it's a constant barrage of scene altering bright flashes and stuff getting tossed around that continues for as long as somebody has rockets/'nades/whatever, and play ceases to happen. You can do that for minutes at a time if you want to and everyone has to stand around waiting for you to get bored before they can proceed.