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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeintheshell View Post
    Sure the burst shot is nice, in pvp maybe. But in pve, one can own with a fragger/grind fragger and blur combo. I own many boss types. Coupled with single minded I can reload while rolling and then keep running.
    Single Minded counts rolling as "standing still"? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shada Mori View Post
    Just an opinion thread really. I've always thought of myself as a shotgunner in game. Before anyone says it, no not because they were OP in PVP, in fact I don't really ever PVP.. I am just a shoot and scoot kind of player, like staying mobile and getting up close so shotguns fit me. I mostly use blur as an ego power in fact.
    Me too. My mag was 21 rounds, so 7 trigger pulls, it's down to 4 before a reload
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    The *Grind fragger is still doing its job in pvp for me. Otherwise I still enjoy all the FRC scatterguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wtflag View Post
    I use VOT Fragger since the very start.

    It is still the most powerful shotgun in PVP. (Excluding saw-off which have their own rules)
    Yeah. I rarely used mine before, but it seems to have become the best one. It saved my butt in pvp against 2 players who came up from behind. Overcharge and a VOT Fragger is no joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shada Mori View Post
    Just an opinion thread really. I've always thought of myself as a shotgunner in game. Before anyone says it, no not because they were OP in PVP, in fact I don't really ever PVP.. I am just a shoot and scoot kind of player, like staying mobile and getting up close so shotguns fit me. I mostly use blur as an ego power in fact.

    I used to love the VOT Auto-Fragger. Was just such a great killing tool. Sadly now post Buckshot patch I feel like its probably statistically the worst auto shotgun in the game now, and one of the worst overall. I begrudgingly and with a virtual tear in my eye salvaged the five I had.

    Post patch I've been buying up every model I can find to see which one has the right flavor. I think I am a bit torn between....

    FRC Berserker: which is funny cause I used to think of IT as the worst auto shotgun, but it seems to have gotten some level of tweak that now it kills real good.

    VOT Fragger: It captures a lot of feel of the pre-nerf Auto Fragger only with two shot burst instead of three and being a pump action.

    I was wondering has anyone else found new favorites?
    I feel the exact same bro.

    My Auto shotty got messed bad...24 rounds to 13, and a damage decrease....I still have mine and use them..but I have a feeling there are better ones now after the patch....

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    The Grind Fragger seems to fire a bit slower than I remember. The nice thing about the VOT Fragger is that while it fires in two round bursts, it also reloads two shells in one reload animation.

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    I was just a regular autoloader guy with various nanos, extended mags, and a happy face.

    Reduced mags don't give preparedness time to reload a full mag in my stowed SAW anymore. That means less time to reload the stowed shotgun.

    Each cycle loads fewer rounds than the previous.

    This, until I have to manually reload when I pull a weapon. So the shotgun AND preparedness both got nerfed to the point where they just don't get the ONLY job they have, accomplished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryme View Post
    The Grind Fragger seems to fire a bit slower than I remember. The nice thing about the VOT Fragger is that while it fires in two round bursts, it also reloads two shells in one reload animation.
    Yes it does, and you can interrupt the full reload when needed. Love it.
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    For a long time the VBI CS-X Cluster Shot was my favourite and I still use it a lot, but nowadays I'm absolutely loving my Grind Fragger and it's quite weird that it actually feels more combat-ish than most combat shotguns.

    The VAF is nice, but I don't get on as well with the burst weapons.

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    This is just me being honest, in my opinion- take it for what it's worth.

    There is no useful shotgun anymore. I can do more damage, more effectively, with almost any other weapon since this nerf.

    I used to LOVE VOT Fraggers and Auto-Fraggers. The lack of ammo coupled with the way mobs are grouped makes these weapons a hindrance now.

    If they wanted to nerf this for PvP, they should have just done it- they added to the pistol ammo pool for PvP only in a previous patch; why couldn't they nerf the shotgun ammo capacity for PvP only? Makes no sense. Poor balancing.

    So, now I switched guns, and await their next terrible idea of "balance".
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