Infectors WAAAAAAAAY OVERPOWERED

[Lupis Volk]

Half of these posts don't even make sense.

Weapons are meant to be unbalanced, if every weapon was balanced they would all do the exact same amount of damage as each other regardless of what 'role' or purpose they're meant to serve. Explain to me how, if this was the case, that if all weapons were balanced (AKA. Useless.) how exactly the outcome of games would be determined? The only way to truly balance weapons is by having them unbalanced.

This idiotic notion that certain weapons that overpower another weapon which is inferior to it being bad is quite simply moronic. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. You are meant to use what's the most effective setup in order to best an opponent in.. well, anything.

Here's a simplistic example for those of you who will fail to understand what I'm saying:

How do you win a game of chess?
There's your answer.

sorry....kinda having fun with this.

Play R.U.S.E.

[ScarfacedBuddha]

I only read the OP, and realize that this is in terms of PVP and not the PVE aspect of the game. But please god don't nerf the gun for players like me who don't play anything PVP. It is not an overpowered weapon in terms of Arkfalls, Story Missions or Co-op missions at all. You're asking a gun to be nerfed because of one aspect of a huge game. And they've done this a few times to appease those who play PVP which I understand. But until they nerf them only for PVP, it's not really fair to the rest of us.

[Aztrial]

Half of these posts don't even make sense.

Weapons are meant to be unbalanced, if every weapon was balanced they would all do the exact same amount of damage as each other regardless of what 'role' or purpose they're meant to serve. Explain to me how, if this was the case, that if all weapons were balanced (AKA. Useless.) how exactly the outcome of games would be determined? The only way to truly balance weapons is by having them unbalanced.

This idiotic notion that certain weapons that overpower another weapon which is inferior to it being bad is quite simply moronic. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. You are meant to use what's the most effective setup in order to best an opponent in.. well, anything.

Here's a simplistic example for those of you who will fail to understand what I'm saying:

How do you win a game of chess?
There's your answer.

So u do argee that the infector is OP? right

[Lupis Volk]

I only read the OP, and realize that this is in terms of PVP and not the PVE aspect of the game. But please god don't nerf the gun for players like me who don't play anything PVP. It is not an overpowered weapon in terms of Arkfalls, Story Missions or Co-op missions at all. You're asking a gun to be nerfed because of one aspect of a huge game. And they've done this a few times to appease those who play PVP which I understand. But until they nerf them only for PVP, it's not really fair to the rest of us.

I'm in the same boat as you buddy. i hate it when Trion knee jerks nerf a weapon because it's OP in PvP and becomes utter garbage in PvE. so over it.

[Lupis Volk]

So u do argee that the infector is OP? right

but then the Syphon Nano is OP as well.

[Dave Blackwell]

So u do argee that the infector is OP? right

Every weapon is overpowered, this is entirely dependant on the layout of the map and what weapons said layout will accommodate for. Honestly, if this... new age gaming 'plague' is never going to end on this forum just design more diverse maps for PvP. Nerfing weapons will NEVER fix this problem as there will ALWAYS be one that is better due to the yin and yang of weapons being disturbed by those who don't understand the concept of how it has and will always work.

Do I think infectors should be nerfed? No. Why? It would be stupid to do so for any weapon, unless Trion wants to run their game into the ground.

Look at the shotgun, people were complaining about it since day one when the game was out. Why? Because they were getting killed more often by them? Of course they were, nearly all of the PvP maps accomodated and promoted the use of shotguns because they were CQC centric maps. Only a complete idiot would use an AR on a map that shotguns run dominance on.

Likewise for any other weapon that people are going to cry about because they don't understand how to think outside the box but instead resort to crying like little babies and throwing temper tantrums until their parents give in to their persistent annoyance just to shut them up. This is how I see you type of people, babies throwing a temper tantrum.

The only solution for this 'problem'. I wouldn't even call it a problem, more a lack of common sense in the majority of these supposed 'L33T' PvP'ers. The only way to 'fix' this is by adding maps which combine different types of chokepoints or weapon specific areas that would promote the use of whatever weapon Trion would want to promote in that map.

Nerfing will NEVER fix this.

[Lupis Volk]

Every weapon is overpowered, this is entirely dependant on the layout of the map and what weapons said layout will accommodate for. Honestly, if this... new age gaming 'plague' is never going to end on this forum just design more diverse maps for PvP. Nerfing weapons will NEVER fix this problem as there will ALWAYS be one that is better due to the yin and yang of weapons being disturbed by those who don't understand the concept of how it has and will always work.

Do I think infectors should be nerfed? No. Why? It would be stupid to do so for any weapon, unless Trion wants to run their game into the ground.

Look at the shotgun, people were complaining about it since day one when the game was out. Why? Because they were getting killed more often by them? Of course they were, nearly all of the PvP maps accomodated and promoted the use of shotguns because they were CQC centric maps. Only a complete idiot would use an AR on a map that shotguns run dominance on.

Likewise for any other weapon that people are going to cry about because they don't understand how to think outside the box but instead resort to crying like little babies and throwing temper tantrums until their parents give in to their persistent annoyance just to shut them up. This is how I see you type of people, babies throwing a temper tantrum.

The only solution for this 'problem'. I wouldn't even call it a problem, more a lack of common sense in the majority of these supposed 'L33T' PvP'ers. The only way to 'fix' this is by adding maps which combine different types of chokepoints or weapon specific areas that would promote the use of whatever weapon Trion would want to promote in that map.

Nerfing will NEVER fix this.

Syphon Nano tears most baddies even Nim with ease.

[Turantula]

They should have left the shottys alone, the only reason they were nerfed was cuz of the damn cloak. Imagine if there was cloak in battlefeild or COD; oh the hilarious insanity that would occur! Funny thing is no one said a damn thing about HALO's cloak and shotty combo, well im sure they have but bungee didn't cave. Then again its campaign wasnt running with its multiplayer simultaneously. Anyway you allready know somethings coming, pretty doon every gun will be doing 1 damage per shot, and pvps will start lookin like soccer scores. ...gooooooaaaaaalllll!!!!

[Turantula]

Syphon Nano tears most baddies even Nim with ease.

This^ even a mazu can be pretty devastating with siphon.

[fang1192]

Half of these posts don't even make sense.

Weapons are meant to be unbalanced, if every weapon was balanced they would all do the exact same amount of damage as each other regardless of what 'role' or purpose they're meant to serve. Explain to me how, if this was the case, that if all weapons were balanced (AKA. Useless.) how exactly the outcome of games would be determined? The only way to truly balance weapons is by having them unbalanced.

This idiotic notion that certain weapons that overpower another weapon which is inferior to it being bad is quite simply moronic. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. You are meant to use what's the most effective setup in order to best an opponent in.. well, anything.

Here's a simplistic example for those of you who will fail to understand what I'm saying:

How do you win a game of chess?
There's your answer.

You do realize there is more than one type of balance right?

Chess has symmetric balance - both you and your opponent have equivalent pieces and legal moves.
Defiance has asymmetric balance - at any given time, you and your opponent have different pieces and different moves.

The problem is that the infector has little to no weaknesses, shotguns can have their weakness nullified, but ARs, LMGs, SRs, SMGs to a lesser extent, have more weaknesses than strengths. Weapons should be superior and inferior qualities and perform better or worse in different situations, there should not be a clear winner in terms of effectiveness in all situations - thats how you make a game boring.

Your understanding of balance is lacking, and your simplistic example does nothing for your argument because it is of a completely different genre. Balance does not mean everything is the same, balance means every option/route is viable.