Worst TV show in years.

[CrazyBard]

This^^, a thousand times this. It's a drama with sci fi undertones mixed with some action. It's not really made for the "Firefly" audience that expects hard core sci fi. I enjoy the show, but I do think this last episode felt extremely clunky.

Firefly and hardcore sci-fi don't exactly go hand-in-hand :/ But calling Firefly hardcore sci-fi is like calling Buffy hardcore vampire :/ I like Joss Whedon and have enjoyed pretty much everything he's done, but he's not exactly renowned for hardcore or deep stuff, and I'm pretty sure Firefly wouldn't be half as popular if the series had of continued, hence the cult following.

Defiance isn't perfect, but it's not the worst either. I enjoy it, but then I have an odd taste in sci-fi .. but hey, I was brought up on Blakes7!

[Indra Echo]

Firefly was totally softcore, there were no sciency bits at all, nobody ever tried to vent the warpcore manifolds or anything, the engines just broke, and then got fixed. The only real space-y bit that comes to mind was running out of air, everything else was classic action-tv, and could have been recreated in any setting, from what I recall.

Yes, I never said it was hardcore SF and didn't mean to imply I thought it was-I meant it was grittier in tone than Defiance and it was, maybe barely. I'm not saying it had more science to it or even reality within the future and science it showed. I was just trying to say that had people supported it while it was on the air and not after it was cancelled, it might have led to bigger and better things. Many of the popularistic quasi-sf or space shows like Firefly, Farspace, and so on, are not appreciated for what they are. Instead people keep wishing they were something else and they get all mad when they're gone. I'm talking about the perceptions of those in charge of providing shows we watch.

The point here is that tv execs are all about the bottom line. If they create SF (sort of) shows that keep failing, then they'll decide people don't want SF. They don't see that people want more and even better harder SF-they think people just don't want it at all.

BSG was more like Star Wars in being a space opera rather than really SF. But what execs see is that space and aliens and especially the future means SF. If they give us that and we say that's not quite right, then programming shifts to something that costs less and yields more.

[ironhands]

but then I have an odd taste in sci-fi .. but hey, I was brought up on Blakes7!

Reboot in the works......Can't wait. Loved that show, even the really lame heavily scripted jokes

[CrazyBard]

Reboot in the works......Can't wait. Loved that show, even the really lame heavily scripted jokes

OMG! Seriously?

[ironhands]

OMG! Seriously?

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/blakes-7...l-series-order

and SyFy's working with it

[CrazyBard]

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/blakes-7...l-series-order

and SyFy's working with it

Awesome! Cheers, you've made my day!

[MagellanD]

If a show like Defiance succeeds it can lead to better things. It's a softcore SciFi show as opposed to the grittier Firefly which didn't make it. Just look at what happened with Star Wars (a movie that many hardcore SF people really didn't like that much)-because of its popularity other more science heavy SF movies came along for years. And Star Trek movies and new tv shows became possible.

Dude you know that Star Trek came 11 years before star wars right.
Star Trek 1964 (Pilots) 1966 Season 1 starts
Star Wars May 25th 1977

You got it backwards.

[CrazyBard]

Dude you know that Star Trek came 11 years before star wars right.
Star Trek 1964 (Pilots) 1966 Season 1 starts
Star Wars May 25th 1977

You got it backwards.

I think he was referring to the movies - wasn't Star Wars movie a year or so before the first Star Trek movie?

[fmarin83]

I absolutely love The Walking Dead but I cant say exactly why, same with Defiance its a bit borderline but I cant put my finger on exactly why Im not thrilled with it.
Still I watch it, its not too bad, there are worse TV shows out there.

Sometimes a show is better when you can see the full seson so you figure things out. I saw this with Arrested Development being canceled. I got to watch it in its greatness on Netflix, but i can see how people would've been lost with the show seeing just one episode a week.

[CrazyBard]

Sometimes a show is better when you can see the full seson so you figure things out. I saw this with Arrested Development being canceled. I got to watch it in its greatness on Netflix, but i can see how people would've been lost with the show seeing just one episode a week.

This is definitely true.