Well I think All I can do is sit tight and wait for more information to come out before making the right choice. Play stations seem very Alien to me as I have never owned one but if buying one seems like the best choice from a gaming point of view and value for money then first time for everything.
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The issue with the 24 hour checkin is about consumer rights and privacy. No matter what Microsoft says to justify the reasons, the kinect is always on. If you turn the camera around to face the wall, its still always listening. Is Microsoft spying on you? Its very doubtfull, but being concerned about the posibility of what that data could be used for is still valid even with the "I have nothing to hide" arguement. Once again, Im not implying any conspiracy or nepharious intent, but its not a trend that we should be welcoming without some concern.
Now, for the consumer rights issue. Just because I buy an xbox, I shouldnt have to pay for internet. Yes, the amount of people who dont have some kind of internet access is very small, but I have the right to not have internet access. Its that simple. When I lost my job a few years back, cable and internet was the first thing I canceled to cut expenses. If I didnt have my xbox, playstation, and a massive dvd collection, I would have gone insane with boredom.
Now to the psn was hacked arguement. xbox live is a more secure system. It better be, because its a paid service. I prefer my playstation over my xbox, but live is inarguably a better interface and experience because, once again, its a paid for service. The story did not get much attention, but live has also been hacked before. It was not nearly on the same scale, but its happened. There was an exploit in one of the Fifa games that allowed you to purchase Microsoft points with a recent opponents payment information. Once it was discovered, it was solved the same day.
Any stored bank information is always at risk of being stolen. The only safe way to prevent this is to purchase points cards and not have stored bank information attached to your profile.
/end of rambling post
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft un-tethered the Kinect and removed it from a package to hit a $399 price point.
I mean after this week's shellacking on policy by sony they're not left with many options to win back those who are willing to leave them for the less constrictive system.
PS4 pre orders are going at a rate of 3 for every 2 XB1 preorders and sony has already upped it's projected unit sales this week.
No matter which side you are on with this matter the numbers are showing that it (sony's stance) has resonated with the gaming community as a whole.
This is it, things are becoming more blurred and opening up more and more questions.Originally Posted by MagellanD
At the start of E3 I was undecided to which camp I was going to go with in the next gen world. I was hoping that E3 would provide answers to questions I had. All that happened is I ended up with more questions due to answers being very sketchy and open to various interpretations.
DRM being one example, now it turns out that Sony was playing to the crowd with a PR stunt and they wasn't being fully honest with things. Which opens up the question of how is Sony going to enforce 3rd party DRM restrictions?
The same with its ability to play games offline. We already know that more and more games are heading towards the MMO style of gameplay.. Destiny as an example, while it won't be a true MMO, it will still require an internet connection, and Sony has said developers can use Gaikai in the same way developers for MS can use the cloud.. Which means that you will require a internet connection, so in turn opens up the question of will developers dictate if you need a internet connection to play single player games/single player campaigns.
And lets not go down the PSN+ requirement path as that opens up even more questions.
Another of the key things was going to be exclusive titles (as multi platform games was pretty much going to be identical.) but I felt really deflated by both camps, as nothing made me sit up and go 'OH WOW, TAKE MY MONEY...' it was a lot of the multi platform games that caught my attention (I will admit to chuckling during the BF4 MP section when they was all in the lift.)
But I am still same position as before..
I can't even use the go with your friends, as they are split between both camps...lol
All I can do is wait and see what happens after launch when we have almost all of the cards on the table to see..
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what? wtf do you mean?
I dont know how many people you know at the moment that own an xbox and dont have the ability to connect to the internet once every 24hrs.
I dont know any personaly.
And lets get this straight. Almost ALL the people crying about how M$ failed them are crying about 3 things.
#1 The always online bs.
#2 I cant trade games bs.
#3 The kinect is Always watching bs.
Answer #1 It only needs to check it once every 24 hours.
Answer #2 You can trade your Xbox One games.
Answer #3 You have the right disable (Always on) with kinect the moment you get it.
most of these people that are so (pi$$ed off) are to stupid or to lazy to do a little bit of research on the thing they are so passionate to actually know what they are crying about.
Its like some stupid spoilt kid crying because he cant build his model airplane that he got for his birthday because he dont wanna read the instructions so he thinks its $hit.
And the more people like this that go over to PS4 the merrier for me, there are enough arrogant people as it is online nowdays. I will be more than happy to interact with less of them online....
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I refer you back to the internet stats world wide which clearly show that most people do not have an internet connection. The point being those people will not be able to buy and play on an Xbox one. The connection issue also brings up privacy issues, if its connected its hackable. Connection isn't the only issue, this is what your signing up for when you buy an Xbox one
By Tom Bramwell Published Friday, 7 June 2013
Almost exactly a year ago, at the end of an E3 press conference in which Microsoft heralded fitness software, Kinect, Internet Explorer, Bing and dying action games as the future of entertainment, I wrote that anyone who has paid attention to Microsoft's business over the years should not be surprised by its apparent lack of self-awareness.
"If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence."
Guess what? The coincidence is over.
The fact that Microsoft's policies governing game ownership, sharing and privacy are not surprising does not make them any less devastating to consumer rights, should they be formally adopted and become a standard. They sacrifice our freedom to own and trade games for no other reason than corporate self-interest.
To save you skimming large tracts of condescending prose about how much Microsoft loves and respects you as a human wallet, here is a summary:
You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
People can play games installed on your console whether you're logged in or not.
10 people can be authorised to play these games on a different Xbox One via the cloud, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
Publishers decide whether you can trade in your games and may charge for this.
Publishers decide whether you can give a game you own to someone for free, and this only works if they have been on your friends list for 30 days.
Your account allows you to play the games you license on any console.
Your Xbox One must connect to the internet every 24 hours to keep playing games.
When playing on another Xbox One with your account, this is reduced to one hour.
Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
Loaning and renting games will not be possible at launch, but Microsoft is "exploring the possibilities".
Microsoft may change these policies or discontinue them at any point.
There is also a promise that Microsoft Studios games will all allow you to trade them in and give them away for free, bringing a whole new emphasis to the expression, "It's the least we could do!"
from http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ts-us-to-smile
Its a good article and clearly shows MSs mindset.
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That's inaccurate. Sony said that it's up to the publishers and is exactly how it is today. I stated before in other threads the only reason people are latching on to this "information" from sony is because it's supposedly lending credence to an Anti Sony XB1 Fanboy camp to cheapen the "no" DRM message. Lets try to call it what it is. No change.
Sony's message is clear. It is not changing to how it is today. A publisher can choose to implement an online pass if it wants to. EA is backing down from them. All consoles.
It appears that Microsoft will have to invent some processes around their business decision where Sony does not have to. It stays status quo. They obviously won't just go on "removing" DRM practices that exist today. It's still a direct attack to M$ on their CHANGE in policy with the next gen consoles.
This was covered in IGN & Forbes.
I can agree with your other concerns. Because most if not all the titles I want to play are going to be on both I will be going PS4 First (I will buy both eventually) because of price, policies, and selections.
The exclusives are meh to me enough that it doesn't matter.
I don't care if a game requires that you be online that's on the publishers. M$ is making it from the console level. that's what bothers me.
Plus the forced Kinect. Privacy conerns aside I will never use it and I am forced to buy a box that's $100 more for a device I will never use.
I'm not pissed of at the kinect always on. I'm pissed off with it being in the box to begin with.
Lets face it. The Kinect Gamer Market is not as large. Some Kinect Only titles *Cough Ryse* are suddenly controller based.
We are being forced to have a piece of hardware included in (and raising the price of) the Box for something that will only make our in game experiences worse because EVERYONE with half a brain will just leave it on in online games and we will endure the Kinect mic nightmare even more.
Don't cite
"But the interface has gestures and voice commands" argument because you can do ALL the controls with a controller.
It's not absolutely necessary for any aspect of the console. Period.
The same can be said about Sony and being hacked, after all they don't exactly have a great track record on that front.
But the more i dwell on it, the more I am becoming less happy about the always connected stance.. While the internet these days is a lot more stable then back in the dial up days, IMHO its still not good enough to fully support an always on system.
But are Sony any different? Do Sony see us as any more then a human wallet as well?
A lot has happened in the 7 days from when that article was published and the truths are coming out, with both companies are looking as bad as each other. The main difference being, MS came out and said 'This is what we are doing.' its only now that we are finding out after the E3 PR stunt that things are not as rosy as all is made out to be, and Sony are still untrustworthy as ever.
Sony can also change or discontinue policies at any point as well, take PSN+ they once said it will always be free, now you need to pay a subscription with the PS4. On top of that its been hinted by two of the Sony bigwigs that PSN will adopt a multi tier system which will only allow players to access certain things if they are in that tier.
I am not defending MS's stance, far from it, but we have to try and remain objective, and realise that both camps have equal amounts of bad things as they do good, and hey we are all gamers regardless of what platform we play on.
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I like your rationality!! You sir rock!
Lets face it every business is in business to make money. We have to look at that because we're always where companies get money from.
I don't think sony as ever said they'd ALWAYS be free, but they were free. Let's face it their online sucks compared to M$ hands down and around town. In order for them to upgrade and reach their lofty upgrade goals, this expensive to support system needs an overhaul and money to support it.
Am I upset that I have to spend money for this? In my particular case no because I am already a plus member who got it for the games and content we'll get going forward. I would be a tad bit upset at that particular change in policy if I didn't see value in PS+ before hand. It's a tiny slap in the face but one I can more easily understand the rationale behind.
it's hard to swallow why we can't play whatever single player games we buy without having to check in.
As for the Sony got hacked thing. The check in won't have anything to do with that. While M$'s system is better from a security standpoint they're not infalible. if the NSA can get hacked so can M$ if somebody is so inclined. It will just be a harder job. Check in or not.
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