The Way Things Are Going is NO Surprise to Trion..

[Shada Mori]

A game that had almost 100 servers when it launched a couple years ago and now has exactly.. three... isn't dead.

Who ARE you and why are you pretending to know about mmos?

Dead to me means shut down, learn better terminology. *shrugs*

As for Earth and Beyond sucking? The game was still popular with a large active player base when EA pulled the plug. There were several petitions in fact to start it back up and for a while there was even a emulated version running before EA had that killed. Your opinion that it sucked, is just that.. your opinion. EA has a long history of killing games at the first sign they may have to actually do work.

[Fancypants]

Imagine SWTOR is they had actually been able to retain its initial population. The game would have been able to challenge WoW for dominance in the MMO market. But since they blazed the path that Trion is determined to go down, they are just another 'profitable' company. Don't get me wrong, profitable is a good thing in business, but dominance is a great thing.

The difference between SWTOR and Defiance is that SWTOR has more then a rather mediocre SyFy show to lend reasons to play. SWTOR has a decade of fandom to attract new players, and since Star Wars has a resurgence with every generation, it is something that everyone knows. It has the history and story of Star Wars to help players immerse themselves into gameplay.

Defiance has none of that. The back story is just missing.

This.

Defiance isn't 'iconic'.. Star Wars is. Even if SWTOR was the worst mmo ever made, there would still be a lot of Star Wars fans playing it. The funny thing was that at their last quarterly report, EA said they had 500k PAYING subs @ $15/month! That's not even counting the almost 2 million F2Pers spending money in their cash shop, which Defiance does NOT have.(F2pers spending money)

Also, SWTOR could have been the most expensive flop in gaming history, but the company wouldn't have folded because of it. Trion really needs this game to start taking some market share now. As plenty have said all over this forum and elsewhere because of E3, once those come out there will be very few people here... perhaps only PC players who want a shooter. I don't really think Defiance can afford to lose a chunk of the Xbox/PS players to that game... the PC crowd here (me one of them) isn't enough to hold the game up, and I'm certainly not a Whale for this game.

Only choice they have is F2P and the sooner they do it, the better. I'm willing to bet they want to but can't do it fast enough because they promised all that lovely DLC content and contractually have to get that out first.

[Tharcion]

The difference between SWTOR and Defiance is that SWTOR has more then a rather mediocre SyFy show to lend reasons to play. SWTOR has a decade of fandom to attract new players, and since Star Wars has a resurgence with every generation, it is something that everyone knows. It has the history and story of Star Wars to help players immerse themselves into gameplay.

While I see your point, it has its downside too. I refuse to play SWTOR because it's Star Wars related. I refuse to give Lucas another penny of my money. It's F2P and I still refuse to play it! As for the history... broken. Badly broken. It may turn out the Defiance background is broken too, but not yet (too much anyway).

[Blondin]

+ 1 at op, many good point.

I find myself that swtor has nothing new, it's just a wow clone in a star wars universe (Btw, Lucas is no more the boss, it's Disney now....). Defiance is new, I love the horizontal progression and some other stuff that are original, we don't have the holy trinity and I say amen.

Anyway, there is no subscribtion fee, Trion doesn't really need that ppl stay tuned and play 24/24h or for many month, once you buy the game Trion does its job.
They need new players and they need old one to buy dlc, for this they only need to make good new attractive stuff. So the fact that there is not a lot of content is not a problem for Trion, they have time for that (at least 2 season of the series).

[Fancypants]

Dead to me means shut down, learn better terminology. *shrugs*

As for Earth and Beyond sucking? The game was still popular with a large active player base when EA pulled the plug. There were several petitions in fact to start it back up and for a while there was even a emulated version running before EA had that killed. Your opinion that it sucked, is just that.. your opinion. EA has a long history of killing games at the first sign they may have to actually do work.

If you want to play Semantic Ball, good luck friend. You'll play with yourself. Anyone playing mmos knows what "dead" means and what "shut down" means. But continue dodging. Maybe you can cap your EGO.

EnB did suck. A game that has a 'large active player base' doesn't get closed dear, unless they aren't making enough money for the company. SWTOR kinda sucks but .. umm. hello? Large active player base. WoW kinda sucks but.. um.. you know. Hell, just about ANY game that is open now and not SHUT DOWN like your first love ('Am I being clear now... or am I still being obtuse?')has a 'large active' playerbase. Even the small ****e ones are still running because, guess what? They are profitable to the company.

If you think EA just killed EnB because they didn't like you, you're nutso. EA likes MONEY more than you and if you truly had that going on with that game, you'd still be there playing instead of trying to convince everyone you know what you are talking about.

[N3gativeCr33p]

Anyway, there is no subscribtion fee, Trion doesn't really need that ppl stay tuned and play 24/24h or for many month, once you buy the game Trion does its job.

Yep, one of the main reasons why I like this game... no subscription fee.

[Yun]

There was one game I was sad to see the servers shut down and that was Hellgate London it was fun while it was out. The events were pretty good as well, still I know someone attempted to resurrect it, but not sure how their attempt faired.

[Myria]

Also a flaw in this logic... Warhammer isn't dead.. its just free to play now.

Actually it isn't F2P, oddly enough at this point. It's free through T1 (has been for years now), beyond that it's still sub-based only.

As for dead, technically no. However it's so far into maintenance mode they've forgotten the maintenance part, which in many ways is worse.

[MegaGame]

beta has nothing to do with bugs, well not in the sense ppl talk about them here.

it is about the feauteres planned for release of the game.

[Coolrockski]

This.

Defiance isn't 'iconic'.. Star Wars is. Even if SWTOR was the worst mmo ever made, there would still be a lot of Star Wars fans playing it. The funny thing was that at their last quarterly report, EA said they had 500k PAYING subs @ $15/month! That's not even counting the almost 2 million F2P spending money in their cash shop, which Defiance does NOT have.

Also, SWTOR could have been the most expensive flop in gaming history, but the company wouldn't have folded because of it. Trion really needs this game to start taking some market share now. As plenty have said all over this forum and elsewhere because of E3, once those come out there will be very few people here... perhaps only PC players who want a shooter. I don't really think Defiance can afford to lose a chunk of the Xbox/PS players to that game... the PC crowd here (me one of them) isn't enough to hold the game up, and I'm certainly not a Whale for this game.

Only choice they have is F2P and the sooner they do it, the better. I'm willing to bet they want to but can't do it fast enough because they promised all that lovely DLC content and contractually have to get that out first.

I totally stuck with SWTOR because of the chance to play as a Bounty Hunter and sort of go through the SW universe. I know their sub base is growing and will continue to get a sweet mix of subs and cash shop spenders. They have a huge advantage over every mmo because they are "Star Wars". But trust me, after the first few months, the trolls there were about 10 times as bad and most were saying the game was going down within months...I never thought that for the simple reason they had to at least get some return on the huge initial investment and even a sparsely populated SW mmo is making some money..

But I agree this game will have to vastly reduce the box within 6 months or so. I am thinking there is a project manager at Trion with a date circled on their calendar that marks the approximate date Defiance shifts their sales potential from box to DLC/cash shop only. They know they are going to ftp at some point..but are just front loading with the box price to capitalize on enthusiasm...

I payed $30 for my baltimore ravens super bowl shirt the day they won...I can get the same shirt for about $15 now and probably find it on the rack at walmart for less. ..