the state of smg's and syphon proc

[Xoralis]

Ok I needed an aspirin after reading this. I play video games to have fun. I have a decent IQ but would rather not have to do math to figure which guns are better than others, I think the game designers should balance it themselves, I just want to point and shoot. That being said, some of the intellects here and they way that they laid out exactly where the problem lies is pretty impressive, my hats off to you guys. simply put the effect damage should be adjusted to fit the rate of fire so the effect measures the same over time.

oh and I was advised when I first started to pvp to use a vot fragger and an immunizer, great advice quickhatch, thank you....I still use them

Me too Indom, i ain't no rocket scientist and those who put in the effort to work it all out GG.

I personally use a Syphon wep because i enjoy it even though the graphics in a heated battle makes me feel like an epileptic fit is about to hit, BUT that being said EVERY game will have one wep or class better than another, then they nerf it, making another take it's place and the circle continues. I don't care what they do to any wep if they change Syphon procs then i will adapt and change to something else.

I don't know why people can't be confident in their skill levels that changing a wep won't destroy their skills, just adapt to playing different and actually putting in effort to tinker with their builds. Sad to say but in life there are ALWAYS going to be better people that me and you etc so while i can kill most people, there are always those that are more of a challenge but i am not going to QQ about it.

[dreamon666]

I used my 'fancy English' words to inform you of why your arguments were less than compelling. I didn't claim anything, merely rejected yours. Your summary of you've been saying all along is no different from your original introduction.

I admitted my lack of personal involvement does qualify me less to express my personal experiences on the subject. But I did tell you, this was happening (extreme procs) well before I stopped playing and it wasn't glitching then from where I sat. Those posts of 'cheating and glitching' were consistent when I did play, so nothing new there. This is why your claim is incredulous to me as this has been the case for a long time, and when I played I never seen a Syphon bug, merely well equipped people. Also I can read a post without commenting on it.

It may turn out that you are right, but my issue was only partially this (the bit I care least about), the crux of my issue was your method of presenting your 'evidence'. Which at the moment is borderline proselyting mixed in with humorously misplaced condescension.

Allow me to summarise: I do not care if you turn out to be correct, I only care that you think your method of convincing is valid and that we're apparently 'idiot English nerds' for not seeing it.



You know that's the complete opposite of how the Western justice system operates rights? The accuser should have the burden of proof. This is in general, some specific laws do reverse this onus. In the case of having an all powerful entity (Trion), simply reporting to them and letting them handle would work best as they have the actual ability to tell who is and is not 'cheating'.

Oh yeah another thing worth noting is that whilst largely on the level of your evidence, you specifically may find compelling. A lot of people have accused me of both glitching and hacking, yet I do not; some of these very same people make threads and posts complaining about hackers. So making a thread and complaining really isn't amazing evidence of hacking/glitching.

Under your system I would then have to waste hours of my time against my will to prove I'm innocent, simply because someone 'said I am'. Yeah-****ing-right-mate. I hereby decree that you must invest 12 hours of unedited gameplay footage from 24 consecutive games (no breaks plz, might mean you cheated) to prove your not glitching because I believe you proced Syphon 6 times in one Tachmag clip that one time.

All this stems from the fact it is FAR MORE LIKELY someone kicked your *** legitimately than it is someone is hacking (which is much more rare than people think) or glitching (which is admittedly more common) and their ego can't handle it. I have had some downright hilarious accusations levelled at me personally because of this.

I know I'm wasting my time, I know how people get, but I am semi-enjoying this.

Doesn't matter what you say though, the Syphon glitch has been proven on my topic with screenshots and video!

And still the same QQ.

It's funny, yesterday, on Observatory, you were in the top players of your team. You were only arrogant (especially against me). Today, you were in the abysses of the team with a very bad K/D ratio and all I read from you is rage, hackusations and QQ.

You seriously have a problem man.

Lol how i can i be arrogant about my K/D if i never whisper people after having a succesful match... you're just trying to be irritating with false accusations yourself m8.
Ow and it seems i was right about who glitched with it, because there are already 3 people who found out they had the glitch without knowing it because i told them they had it, one person even made a video of it thx to me, which is now used as evidence in the topic for the Syphon glitch proof!

[Justified]

You babies need to go back to crying about infectors. Stop ruining all the weapons because you got hammered a few times in a single match.

[dreamon666]

You babies need to go back to crying about infectors. Stop ruining all the weapons because you got hammered a few times in a single match.

Yeah, Syphon glitch is all about whining that we got killed a few times...right...
It's about people cheating by exploiting insane bugs inside the game, making the game entirely unfair for the average player (who doesn't know or doesn't want to glitch), why do you think that out of thousands of people less than 50 people are still actively playing PVP?

[Justified]

There's less people in pvp because there's less players. The glitch isn't happening for everyone. I haven't seen anyone on ps3 glitch. Maybe it's just the PC players. The proc rate isn't any better than any other nano. The smg, especially the popular tachmag is a high ROF. I'm still waiting for someone to post a video proof of this glitch. All you guys will end up doing is ruining pvp even more AND pve.

[dreamon666]

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...screenshots%29

here is video and screenshot proof

[Justified]

The fact is that it's inconsistent and if the weapon glitches, it's not going to stay that way forever. If you catch a player glitched, report it and move on. Syphon does NOT need to be nerfed. There's a bug, so let's have it fixed. Not cry about syphon being OP because of the proc rate on a smg. And no, I'm not saying you are crying about it, but there are people who want to complain about everything that kills them a few times.

[dreamon666]

The fact is that it's inconsistent and if the weapon glitches, it's not going to stay that way forever. If you catch a player glitched, report it and move on. Syphon does NOT need to be nerfed. There's a bug, so let's have it fixed. Not cry about syphon being OP because of the proc rate on a smg. And no, I'm not saying you are crying about it, but there are people who want to complain about everything that kills them a few times.

Well they say that too about me that i complain because i get killed a few times, while iam not noobisch at all (i can get K/Ds ranging from 25/10 to 32/6), i just want people to play fair, because it's really tempting to start glitching yourself when you see sooooo many people glitching something. Almost half of the so-called "good" players in PVP with Syphon are abusing the glitch.

Btw Syphon is by far the best nano effect, even without the glitch it procs 2 times more often than fire or toxic, then add the fact that it does an extra 480 dmg crit and regenerates that same amount onto your health and shield....
Basically it regens your health, does extra damage and procs more often on weapons like VOT Fragger and Tachmag Pulser, while other nano effect just do slowing (goo), weakening (toxic) or damaging (fire) effects.

[greatdividers]

Btw Syphon is by far the best nano effect, even without the glitch it procs 2 times more often than fire or toxic

nano effect proc chance, outside of a bug/glitch, is the same for all types.

[dreamon666]

Well, i can't proof the numbers, but whenever i switch between my VOT Fraggers to lvl my shotgun skill, it always seemed like the Syphon procced alot more for me than Fire, Goo or Toxic...