Played for a week and already disinterested.

[Xenosaj]

actually no I didn't. I simply clarified my employment background. Not my stance.

This is one of those time I would like to ask you to please refrain from commenting unless you have something to contribute to the conversation, however I realize this is the internet and you are 'Entitled' to spew whatever crap you like. In fact I would and do defend your right to do so.

You sound like a christian with all that hypocrisy. Neither your "gov't job" nor your "6-figure salary," assuming you're even telling the truth, has anything to do with this game. You brought up such nonsense purely to make yourself look knowledgeable and superior, when in reality it comes off snobbish and snarky and makes you sound like one of those xbox live kiddies who had carnal relations with your maternal unit the previous evening.

I'm glad you would "defend" his right to "spew crap," as if such a declaration actually meant anything, especially given that these are not publicly owned forums and thus we have no rights here. Just so long as you realize you're doing exactly the same thing by putting down comments that other people don't like.

That said, I wanted to address at least one of your complaints:

5) The game is so far from they show that the only thing they have in common is some names and references. In the show there is a vibrant community with well developed characters. The game is run from point A to point B and shoot stuff. Arkfalls are a great example. a) Razor rain is meaningless in the game compared to the show. b) Arkfalls in the game are 'crystals' sprouting up from the ground but in the show they are crashed spaceships. How the heck this disconnect ever developed is beyond reasoning. Hellbugs at Arkfalls, oh boy I just love standing in one spot shooting at the same mob for 10 minutes with 50 other players all doing the same (that was sarcasm in case you could not tell). More major disconnects; Personal Shields there are none in the show, in fact in the show technology is very limited yet in the game we have AI's and shields? daFaq? In the last episode the Erep is heard stating that their snipers have a 3km range, in the game I can shoot maybe, maybe 50m(?) with a sniper rifle (I could live with this one, but not on top of the rest sorry).

You're complaining about a perceived disconnect between a game and a show that are tied together, but you seem to forget that each is its own platform with its own goals and its own restrictions and limitations.

• In-show well developed characters? I assume you think the game has none. I would then have to assume you didn't pay attention during any of the in-game cutscenes regarding Nolan, Irisa, Cooper, Shondu, Nim, or the ape-dude NPC who runs Cronkite Bunker with you.
• Razor rain is meaningless in-game? What would you have players do, hide in a building or under cover or in their cars until it stops? Wow, non-stop excitement right there. Make it a tangible/visible effect that does minor damage to players? We already have that in the form of enemy attacks.
• Crashed spaceship versus crystal: yes, let's have 50+ players swarming in and out of a giant spaceship that suddenly takes up all the surrounding area. Realistic? Sure. Fun or logistically feasible? Not really.
• Shields: Oh man, we haven't seen any in use in the show, they must not exist in the show at all then. Is that your leap of logic? The ark hunters we play are without a doubt leaps and bounds beyond the level of ark hunter that is Nolan and Irisa; our ark hunters have more success, we make more money and salvage, we work for ****ing Von Bach ffs; we're the top of the totem pole, so we have EGO upgrades, shields, better grenades and weapons. Or would you rather be piss-poor like Nolan? When the time comes for a need for someone to use a shield in the show, I'm sure they'll make use of it. Until then, complaining about this is ridiculous.
• And while we're talking about realism: sniper rifles. Seriously? You're complaining about the fact that in-show they can snipe at 3 clicks, but in-game you can only shoot 50m? Trion has three options here: ignore reality for the show; make the game completely realistic; or have a disconnect between the two on this particular facet.
  
  Ignore reality for the show: a stupid option, period. The show takes place in the future, earth has become inhabited by seven extraterrestial species, and this option would have us limit their range on sniper rifles because that's how limited they are in-game? Pfft.
  
  Make the game realistic: right, because letting a player shoot something that's 3 clicks away is fair. For one thing, it's almost too easy as it is to sit at range from a group of enemies and headshot them one by one; real-life range is not needed. For another, think how screwed up PVP would get. You thought cloak/shotty in pvp was bad, wait till everyone's doing shadow wars with cloak and sniper rifles with a 3km range...
  
  Fortunately Trion went with the logical and reasonable option: have a disconnect. If this bothers you this much about this game and show, then I feel sorry for you because I imagine it's extremely hard for you enjoy anything. Holding products to a standard is one thing; holding them to ideals is just asking for disappointment.

Feel free to rebutt my arguments, but don't expect me to respect your comments if you can't provide any kind of logical basis as to why I'm wrong. I don't expect you to adhere to this though, I fully expect more pedantic "I make six figures" nonsense. Feel free to prove me wrong on that as well.

[Mercy Killing]

Just wanted to post some feedback for TRION.

If you REALLY wanted to do that, you would have posted in the feedback/bugs forums. Nice try, though. You do make some good points, however.

*Disclaimer* If others reading this do not agreeI would ask you to keep your opinion to yourself. These are simply my opinions as a 35yr old lifetime gamer who gets paid very well to diagnose technical issues and problems and has seen what works and what does not when it comes to gaming, multi player, online and FPS.

Terribly sorry, but if you're going to post your opinion, then others also can post THEIR opinions on your opinion. It's the internet.



I'd also like to add...if you(and everyone else in the same boat) are so bored with the game and feel so "let down" by it......why bother posting?

Do you know what -I- do when that happens to me?? I move on. Quietly. Gracefully. Nobody even knows I've left until someone one day goes "Hey, whatever happened to Mercy?" You (and those like you) should do the same, IMHO.

[Imani Hype]

I think the bulk of the criticisms, though I'm not going to say any are necessarily invalid, lay in the fact that MMORPG fans stepped into an MMOTPS with all of their RPG expectations.

Case in point, op's point #1 about weapon progression. Classic RPG mentality (why doesn't a higher level mean higher damage). Shooters are skill based which is why you generally don't see much, if any, progression in primary stats like that.

Also, you really gotta get to EGO 2k before the sum of your weapons skills, quantity of maxed out perks, and orange weapons with a complete set of tier III mods creates an obvious power upgrade. The ride might be gradual but when you get there your character will have two or three times the potential of an FNG. That goes over most players' heads since it's not instant.

As a shooter fan I saw that weapon skill hit 20 and thought, "ZOMG, +5% damage?!?! Awesome!!" Incremental stats like that are big deal in competitive shooters. Then you get a +5% damage bonus intrinsically attached coupled with a +7% barrel and all of the sudden you're doing an intrinsic +17% damage over stock. That's a lot but people with heavy MMORPGs backgrounds often don't see it.

^^ Strong this. People see this game categorized as an MMO and immediately assume it must be the same as others out there, but how many are shooters, especially a TPS? The player progression in this game is a bit different than many MMOs out there. It is more underlying rather than obvious that almost all other MMOs have. Usually in similar titles, players do not need to worry about min/maxing their character until they've progressed to the "end game" aspect, but in Defiance, min/maxing is more of the progression. For players who aren't adept or familiar with shooter "skill" based game, this progression isn't enough because that "gratification" is minimal and not as noticeable.

[WhiteCell]

Exactly.
This game really has nothing.......groundbreaking.
There's nothing that stands out to make you want to stay with it.

It doesn't do anything well either. Not a single thing. Every facet of the game is done better in another game. Add that with a significant lack of content, cooperative content, and a lifeless world and you end up with DEFIANCE!

The entire time I played I was like "ok, when is it going to get better" It never did....

[Newsin]

If you really wanted to post feedback for Trion, you'd post feedback in the Feedback area. This is just another "look @ me and feel my speshullness" post. Made apparent by the " 35yr old lifetime gamer that gets paid very well to diagnose....." - [TRANSLATION] "I'm still working at gamestop... So i know what I'm talkin' 'bout yo'"

Kool Story Bro, can I haz your stuff???

<.<
>.>

Did I do that right??? I'm still learning the forum memes... v.v'

ACK, dont do this... I did it once and got a warning that I would be banned if I did it again.. they dont like it when you change peoples posts lol..

[Newsin]

You sound like a christian with all that hypocrisy. Neither your "gov't job" nor your "6-figure salary," assuming you're even telling the truth, has anything to do with this game. You brought up such nonsense purely to make yourself look knowledgeable and superior, when in reality it comes off snobbish and snarky and makes you sound like one of those xbox live kiddies who had carnal relations with your maternal unit the previous evening.

I'm glad you would "defend" his right to "spew crap," as if such a declaration actually meant anything, especially given that these are not publicly owned forums and thus we have no rights here. Just so long as you realize you're doing exactly the same thing by putting down comments that other people don't like.

That said, I wanted to address at least one of your complaints:



You're complaining about a perceived disconnect between a game and a show that are tied together, but you seem to forget that each is its own platform with its own goals and its own restrictions and limitations.

• In-show well developed characters? I assume you think the game has none. I would then have to assume you didn't pay attention during any of the in-game cutscenes regarding Nolan, Irisa, Cooper, Shondu, Nim, or the ape-dude NPC who runs Cronkite Bunker with you.
• Razor rain is meaningless in-game? What would you have players do, hide in a building or under cover or in their cars until it stops? Wow, non-stop excitement right there. Make it a tangible/visible effect that does minor damage to players? We already have that in the form of enemy attacks.
• Crashed spaceship versus crystal: yes, let's have 50+ players swarming in and out of a giant spaceship that suddenly takes up all the surrounding area. Realistic? Sure. Fun or logistically feasible? Not really.
• Shields: Oh man, we haven't seen any in use in the show, they must not exist in the show at all then. Is that your leap of logic? The ark hunters we play are without a doubt leaps and bounds beyond the level of ark hunter that is Nolan and Irisa; our ark hunters have more success, we make more money and salvage, we work for ****ing Von Bach ffs; we're the top of the totem pole, so we have EGO upgrades, shields, better grenades and weapons. Or would you rather be piss-poor like Nolan? When the time comes for a need for someone to use a shield in the show, I'm sure they'll make use of it. Until then, complaining about this is ridiculous.
• And while we're talking about realism: sniper rifles. Seriously? You're complaining about the fact that in-show they can snipe at 3 clicks, but in-game you can only shoot 50m? Trion has three options here: ignore reality for the show; make the game completely realistic; or have a disconnect between the two on this particular facet.
  
  Ignore reality for the show: a stupid option, period. The show takes place in the future, earth has become inhabited by seven extraterrestial species, and this option would have us limit their range on sniper rifles because that's how limited they are in-game? Pfft.
  
  Make the game realistic: right, because letting a player shoot something that's 3 clicks away is fair. For one thing, it's almost too easy as it is to sit at range from a group of enemies and headshot them one by one; real-life range is not needed. For another, think how screwed up PVP would get. You thought cloak/shotty in pvp was bad, wait till everyone's doing shadow wars with cloak and sniper rifles with a 3km range...
  
  Fortunately Trion went with the logical and reasonable option: have a disconnect. If this bothers you this much about this game and show, then I feel sorry for you because I imagine it's extremely hard for you enjoy anything. Holding products to a standard is one thing; holding them to ideals is just asking for disappointment.

Feel free to rebutt my arguments, but don't expect me to respect your comments if you can't provide any kind of logical basis as to why I'm wrong. I don't expect you to adhere to this though, I fully expect more pedantic "I make six figures" nonsense. Feel free to prove me wrong on that as well.

/end thread lol.

[Tercept]

If you REALLY wanted to do that, you would have posted in the feedback/bugs forums. Nice try, though. You do make some good points, however.







Terribly sorry, but if you're going to post your opinion, then others also can post THEIR opinions on your opinion. It's the internet.



I'd also like to add...if you(and everyone else in the same boat) are so bored with the game and feel so "let down" by it......why bother posting?

Do you know what -I- do when that happens to me?? I move on. Quietly. Gracefully. Nobody even knows I've left until someone one day goes "Hey, whatever happened to Mercy?" You (and those like you) should do the same, IMHO.

I think and to the best of my humble opinion feel that Defiance the game will continue on with its development into a fun fps. I gladly spent 60 bucks for the game and a 15 dollar booster card with a random lockbox. I have only played one full day and I'm not bored yet.

<: Disclaimer :> I did not get paid to say the prior statement. Just a humble opinion from a humble gamer to fellow gamers that enjoys a good fps such as Defiance.

[Tyger]

ACK, dont do this... I did it once and got a warning that I would be banned if I did it again.. they dont like it when you change peoples posts lol..

Heh, thx for the head's up but it I think I slipped in under the radar by not using the typical 'fixed that for ya' routine. What I did there was more of a "your mouth is doing this.... But what i'm hearing is this...." It's kool though, thx for lookin' out.

[Tyger]

AI needs a revamp not a tweak... Hype is what the fanboys are giving a mediocre game not people that expected the company that launched Rift to create another Indepth world to enjoy.

Sorry running or driving to a point shooting until you get mission complete does not. Good game make.

Totally!!!

It's way different in Rift. You go to point A, get a [Quest] and then hop on your [Mount] and then [Ride] to a pre-selected point on the map and [Swing Blades/Cast Magik/pewPew Arrows-Lead Balls] until you get a [Quest] complete. Completely different Kronik. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees the dramatic difference displayed from one Trion game to another....

>.>...

If you're going to complain about an aspect of a game not holding water to another game's example.... Try not using the holiest bucket around.

[Tharcion]

But I would expect a PC version to be able to perform better than a console version......simply because there's been more MMO experience on PC, and I believe updates can be handled easier on PCs than consoles. And if there's one thing MMOs need......it's updates.

PCs are inherently harder to write software for than consoles, and much harder to do updates for.

Consoles have a known, probably fixed, hardware platform. You always know what the processor is, you always know the range of hard discs and the available memory. Even the executing software is known to the developer when he or she is creating both original software and patches.

Macs tend to be similar to consoles, which is why the have a reputation for reliability.

With PCs you're looking at an enormous variety of hardware, and any number of user-installed software add-ons which could cause difficulties with the update process.

Your assertion is inherently incorrect. Sorry.