Griefing vs not knowing

[SymbolicGamer]

Recently?

I know you can level up BMGs by healing players at major arkfalls, but any attacks done to the enemy would not increase weapon experience, with the exception of boss characters, like the Matron.

At minor arkfalls, Raiders, Mutants and 99ers give experience, but Scrappers and Hellbugs do not.

[poisd2strike]

Crystal Destruction Arkfalls require you to destroy the Crystal. Skitterlings make it easier to destroy the Crystal. Therefore, you SHOULD allow the Skitterlings to bite the crystal and NOT focus on KO'ing skitterlings at Crystal Destruction Arkfalls. It isn't rocket science, but some people simply fail to use common sense. That being said, personally I no longer care how people play the game at Crystal Destruction Arkfalls. Of course if you are intentionally KO'ing the Skitterlings (at Crystal Destruction Arkfalls), you should NOT expect me to attempt to revive you if you get KO'd by something, like say those Hellbug Blastpods / Archers / Warriors or Monarch you choose to ignore in your attempt to cull the Skitterling population.

[aeryk117]

That's funny as I noticed I've gotten experience doing the major and minor ark falls leveling up my weapons. I'll have to check next time through to be sure, but I do believe it works now on all arkfalls, just maybe not the last boss in the ark falls.

Dwane posted a great thread on minor & major Arkfalls and which foes give weapon XP:
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...Arkfall+weapon

For major Arkfalls, he found that only Hellbug Matrons & Scrapper Progenitor Cores gave weapon XP - this has been my experience as well.

[Nyako]

Crystal Destruction Arkfalls require you to destroy the Crystal. Skitterlings make it easier to destroy the Crystal. Therefore, you SHOULD allow the Skitterlings to bite the crystal and NOT focus on KO'ing skitterlings at Crystal Destruction Arkfalls. It isn't rocket science, but some people simply fail to use common sense. That being said, personally I no longer care how people play the game at Crystal Destruction Arkfalls. Of course if you are intentionally KO'ing the Skitterlings (at Crystal Destruction Arkfalls), you should NOT expect me to attempt to revive you if you get KO'd by something, like say those Hellbug Blastpods / Archers / Warriors or Monarch you choose to ignore in your attempt to cull the Skitterling population.

People will still get revived no matter what they do... And to say that its common sense when a set of pursuits require certain number of killed things during ark fall events, isn't stupid or contrary to common sense and basic logic. It is how the game was meant to be played, if it wasn't meant to be played that way, then they would have removed that from the pursuit or remove that from the game entirely and made the crystals be something that had god levels of HP and just let players shoot it indefinitely without fear of any mobs or anything coming in. They didn't do any of that, thus telling me that they want people to play however they want and kill whatever they want during such events.

To be honest, I respect those that take the time to kill all the mobs that could cause me to work harder in healer form, or cause me some major issues in my other load outs. So...

[Newsin]

People will still get revived no matter what they do... And to say that its common sense when a set of pursuits require certain number of killed things during ark fall events, isn't stupid or contrary to common sense and basic logic. It is how the game was meant to be played, if it wasn't meant to be played that way, then they would have removed that from the pursuit or remove that from the game entirely and made the crystals be something that had god levels of HP and just let players shoot it indefinitely without fear of any mobs or anything coming in. They didn't do any of that, thus telling me that they want people to play however they want and kill whatever they want during such events.

To be honest, I respect those that take the time to kill all the mobs that could cause me to work harder in healer form, or cause me some major issues in my other load outs. So...

There is an objective, EGO states that objective. Ego does not state hey pull out your lobber and start killing the skitterlings so that others have a harder time killing the crystal because hey you need to kill 2500 deals for a pursuit, making it last 3x as long as it should. Give me a break. You can kill Warriors and Archers and the pods etc etc. You do not need to focus on the small skitterlings in order to get your points. Stop acting like that's what those particular crystal arkfalls are for, their not.

After they open the holes they are still alive kill them then. Just slow down and dont kill them RIGHT when they spawn stopping others from progressing with the crystal like their supposed to be doing in the first place.

[poisd2strike]

People will still get revived no matter what they do... And to say that its common sense when a set of pursuits require certain number of killed things during ark fall events, isn't stupid or contrary to common sense and basic logic. It is how the game was meant to be played, if it wasn't meant to be played that way, then they would have removed that from the pursuit or remove that from the game entirely and made the crystals be something that had god levels of HP and just let players shoot it indefinitely without fear of any mobs or anything coming in. They didn't do any of that, thus telling me that they want people to play however they want and kill whatever they want during such events.

To be honest, I respect those that take the time to kill all the mobs that could cause me to work harder in healer form, or cause me some major issues in my other load outs. So...

That's funny, because I have noticed that Crystal Destruction Arkfalls tend to go faster when the Skitterlings are allowed to bite the Crystal to expose the weak points...you know the ones your EGO points out to you and tells you to focus on, lol. Admittedly, I have yet to personally see a Crystal Destruction Arkfall fail due to time running out, BUT not too long ago one came close to failing; we finished with about 45 seconds left on the clock. Personally, I hope Trion decreases the amount of time players have to complete Crystal Destruction Arkfalls and / or increases the amount of Health the Crystal has. Something tells me IF that were to happen, people would focus less on KO'ing Skitterlings and more on allowing the Skitterlings to bite the Crystal.

And as far as pursuits are concerned, if you play the game and take part in enough Arkfalls you will eventually get your 2500 AF kill pursuit. IIRC, there is a type of Arkfall designed specifically for getting KO's: Hellbug Destruction Arkfall. You are certainly entitled to play the game any way you want. Likewise, I am entitled to ignore a KO'd player who was focused primarily on KO'ing Skitterlings (at a Crystal Destruction Arkfall) and was making the Arkfall take longer than it should have for EVERYONE involved (including him / her self).

[Nyako]

There is an objective, EGO states that objective. Ego does not state hey pull out your lobber and start killing the skitterlings so that others have a harder time killing the crystal because hey you need to kill 2500 deals for a pursuit, making it last 3x as long as it should. Give me a break. You can kill Warriors and Archers and the pods etc etc. You do not need to focus on the small skitterlings in order to get your points. Stop acting like that's what those particular crystal arkfalls are for, their not.

After they open the holes they are still alive kill them then. Just slow down and dont kill them RIGHT when they spawn stopping others from progressing with the crystal like their supposed to be doing in the first place.

Killing anything other than skitterlings takes time and ammo. I can kill a skitterling easily in just a second with a BMG. I can't do that in a second with any other mob out there. Thus, I'd expect that others would know that too. So accept it and move on.

And at Poisd2Strike, I also know that playing the game 8 hours or more a day for 7 days straight... doing ark falls every chance I can get, for 3 weeks straight barely netted 1000 kills. I started out doing just the crystals myself as well for the first few weeks, then realized that I'll never complete that pursuit before August or what not comes. So if I realized to start killing all the mobs at the major ark falls and I had only started playing some time in May, then I imagine a lot more people will have done the same realization.

Now, I'll admit that I don't often use my RLs or GLs, but I do use them when masses of mobs hang around near one spot. Guess where it has been at in the last 15 out of 26 ark falls that were crystal destruction ark falls. At the crystal itself.

So, again argument for what EGO says and what the game mechanics and game challenges say... well, I'd go mechanics and challenges before I go with a character that does nothing to really help you in game.

[poisd2strike]

Killing anything other than skitterlings takes time and ammo. I can kill a skitterling easily in just a second with a BMG. I can't do that in a second with any other mob out there. Thus, I'd expect that others would know that too. So accept it and move on.

And at Poisd2Strike, I also know that playing the game 8 hours or more a day for 7 days straight... doing ark falls every chance I can get, for 3 weeks straight barely netted 1000 kills. I started out doing just the crystals myself as well for the first few weeks, then realized that I'll never complete that pursuit before August or what not comes. So if I realized to start killing all the mobs at the major ark falls and I had only started playing some time in May, then I imagine a lot more people will have done the same realization.

Now, I'll admit that I don't often use my RLs or GLs, but I do use them when masses of mobs hang around near one spot. Guess where it has been at in the last 15 out of 26 ark falls that were crystal destruction ark falls. At the crystal itself.

So, again argument for what EGO says and what the game mechanics and game challenges say... well, I'd go mechanics and challenges before I go with a character that does nothing to really help you in game.

THAT you can KO the Skitterlings (relatively easily and with minimal effort) does NOT mean that the Skitterlings don't make it easier to finish the Crystal Destruction Arkfalls. They DO. I hope you aren't seriously going to argue that you don't do more damage to the weak spots, the Skitterlings expose, when they bite the Crystal. Again, you DO do more damage (to the Crystal) by attacking the weak spots the Skitterlings expose. Of course, that would require the Skitterlings be allowed to bite the Crystal (in the first place) and expose the weak spots instead of being KO'd, in large numbers and by various explosives, at the hands of players attempting to finish a pursuit they could just as easily achieve doing one of the other Arkfalls that specifically require you to KO Scrappers, Raiders or even Hellbugs (including Skitterlings). Therefore, I would argue the developers intended players to focus on the 2500 AF KO pursuit at those types of Arkfalls and NOT the type where it is advantageous to NOT KO a specific creature (Skitterlings).

Like I said, you can play Defiance any way you want. But don't claim you (and others) aren't making the Crystal Destruction Arkfall take longer by KO'ing the Skitterlings and preventing them from biting the Crystal, when logic dictates otherwise. FYI, if the developers didn't intend for you to allow the Skitterlings to bite the Crystal (and expose the weak spot), the developers wouldn't have allowed you to do MORE damage to the weak spot than any other spot on the Crystal.

EDIT: In addition to increasing Crystal Health, and decreasing time allowed to complete Crystal Destruction Arkfalls, I also propose Trion no longer allow Skitterling KO's (at that type of Arkfall) to count towards the 2500 AF KO pursuit. All 3 of these changes, combined, would likely change player behavior and make ppl use some common sense.

[JxSiN]

I am a skitterling killer. I don't do it to cause others grief. I can't recall any arkfall I have ever been to that people did not finish. I left a post in the other thread of this nature, but in case you missed it, here it is verbatim. PS: I've been playing this game since day 1, and I have a good reputation. A lot of people will vouch for me on this. Anyway, here is my post on the other thread:

I don't think you guys understand. I find it funny the people who take the time to type out huge sentences at arkfalls because people are killing skitterlings. Use that time to shoot stuff. To complain that someone is making it take longer when you yourself are spending minutes to type is kind of ironic. But, just in case you didn't know, it is either noobs or pros killing the skitterlings. The people in the middle are the ones complaining.

Reasons to kill skitterlings:
1) The arkfall pursuit (arkhunting as a way of life III)
2) The combat pursuit (living to kill V)
3) Ammo (the skitterlings drop it. If you run out of ammo, you can't shoot anything anyway)
4) More rewards (namely ark salvage, either in the form of ark salvage or weapons to be broken down. I make about 11-15 or more keys per arkfall because of ark salvage. That's a mod box right there)
5) If 40+ players can't clear all the crystals in the given time, that's kind of sad
6) Instant grenade refreshes! Not revealing the perk/nade combo, but I can throw 3-4 sometimes more grenades in a row, which not only damages the skitterlings but all other baddies caught in the blast, crystal too about half the time for some weird reason)

Hints:
1) Wait til a skitterling bites a hole, then destroy everything (timing is key more than complaining that people are killing skitterlings).
2) Stop skitterlings from going cocoon. If a skitterling has been on the screen for a bit, it could go cocoon and pop out a warrior or an archer
3) Spread the heck out on crystals! This game scales difficulty based on how many people are in an area. There are 4-5 crystals up, why should 40 people just be on the same one. Spread out, makes the mobs easier, makes the crystals easier, makes the arkfall quicker.

An example. Me and another person (just the 2 of us) were breezing through a scrapper arkfall. Taking out all the crystals or whatever those are was swift. We get to the Progenitor. The first time it went to repair, the 2 of us knocked it down to half-life. The arms were a breeze, and the mobs barely scratched us. 2 more people showed up, and the difficulty more than doubled. Now 4 people didn't even do half the dmg me and the other guy did, and the repair took longer cuz it repaired 4 arms instead of 3. The mobs didn't go down in one clip, it more than doubled the difficulty.

I've been playing since day 1, I grind ark salvage, I'm going to kill the skitterlings, and I'm also going to go to a crystal where no-one is. If I don't place first I am in top 3 as long as I am trying and I get there within 3-5 minutes of it starting.

Don't call people noobs when you aren't exactly pro, man. Just sayin'

[Newsin]

Killing anything other than skitterlings takes time and ammo. I can kill a skitterling easily in just a second with a BMG. I can't do that in a second with any other mob out there. Thus, I'd expect that others would know that too. So accept it and move on.

And at Poisd2Strike, I also know that playing the game 8 hours or more a day for 7 days straight... doing ark falls every chance I can get, for 3 weeks straight barely netted 1000 kills. I started out doing just the crystals myself as well for the first few weeks, then realized that I'll never complete that pursuit before August or what not comes. So if I realized to start killing all the mobs at the major ark falls and I had only started playing some time in May, then I imagine a lot more people will have done the same realization.

Now, I'll admit that I don't often use my RLs or GLs, but I do use them when masses of mobs hang around near one spot. Guess where it has been at in the last 15 out of 26 ark falls that were crystal destruction ark falls. At the crystal itself.

So, again argument for what EGO says and what the game mechanics and game challenges say... well, I'd go mechanics and challenges before I go with a character that does nothing to really help you in game.

OK, basically I dont want you to stop what you are doing. I think you should actually be able to have fun killing skitterlings, but have a little respect for those who are actually trying to finish the damn arkfall. Not everything is about me not everything is about you. Respecting another player and not going out of your way to make it harder on the others who are not just killing to get a kill count but trying to actually do the arkfall and complete it in a somewhat timely fashion. Respect should go both ways. But acting like you have more of a reason to be there then anyone else is false ( not saying that you are saying that but Symbolic sure in the hells acts like it ).