Don't be disheartened by the cynical

[Racheakt]

Well, I am enjoying the game, I started @ launch.

Don't let anyone make your mind up for you.

I am huge sci fi fan, after years of watching ST:TNG i was in Starbucks and i saw tea, earl grey on the menu ... tried it it sucked to me. I when "blegh...." then threw it away and ordered Venti coffee.

I did not go on a campaign to convince people that earl grey was the nasty, and that they were only fooling themselves and that they would eventually hate it. Whats the point? I mean Kirk was the better captain anyway -- you totally know he would hit a Sensoth...

[dominad]

Thats because some people dont know how to be constructive.

Sady on this forum it is very true. There is huge amounts of partisan warring over opinions. This sadly overrides useful feedback, and destroy's threads which may help the game to improve. I would like to think I have been fair in my assessment of this game, and that my critisism has always been backed by facts, evidence and stating what would help, and using the in place systems to do so. While I have had an up and down time with this game due to various issues, I have still continued to play it and found the game addictive and given it a reasonable rating for me personally. I get frustrated though that wishing to express dissatisfaction, or a problem with the game is always interpreted as this is a MMO or just move on or its your fault..

Feedback is constructive and especially for console players who this is their first such game there is no precedent for understanding the numerous issues with the launch to 6 months in to game process.

[Indra Echo]

Echo chambers of praise don't help game developers and are not a good source of feedback. Defiance is an MMO, everything that occurs in the game is monitored and tracked. Is there even an exist survey for this game? They know what players like. What they lack is reasoning behind why players don't like things or why they aren't doing x. If players were truly "spewing noxious hate all over everything" the moderators would do their job.

Playing backseat moderator and telling others to disregard what is posted is usually frowned upon on any decent forum.

There is nothing constructive in either unwarranted praise or unwarranted hate. Many people don't understand how clan boosts work so they think if their clan has 20 weeks of clan boosts now and they buy a clan boost now and the clan boost stops working, then Trion owes them money, so what do they do? They submit bug reports, support tickets, email Trion, use live chat, and totally clog up that system (since many many people are doing this) for something that does not even apply to what they bought. That means someone who is owed money has to wait while Trion figures out who deserves what.

Trion also has to wade through the myriad complaints, wishes, hates, hopes, desires, and all the other misunderstandings surrounding this game. AND they can't do so in a vacuum, because each of our games, connections, wishes, and hates are different. It's also not a big help to just say "I hate infectors" and not explain why so that Trion might totally see the reason behind a complaint.

Yes, devs screw up but they're people too and they can't read our minds. Nor can they anticipate every issue that will come up.

And yes, maybe they underestimated problems the game had but I've had over 1000 hours worth of play in this game and I got my $60 worth so far. I can't judge this game in a vacuum either and I have to look at all the other games that are out there and the big chunk of crap I've played recently in order to give Defiance fair treatment. That doesn't mean Defiance gets a pass but it does mean I have to look at all this and be fair-how often have I complained about other games that have been bad experiences, games that should by now be almost perfect?

@WhiteCell makes a good point-and a really wrong one. First off the wrong assumption is that Trion knows what players like. How could they? We all like different things. And console owners haven't had a game like this before, so Trion now can read our minds? I don't think so.

The good point-they lack reasoning as to why players don't like things or do like things. Why is that? Because players often are not giving them decent feedback or because there is too much random crap about why Destiny is a better game or people are not always explaining what they'd like to see. And Trion has to wade through posts where people do explain things and try and see if that post is valid or if the opposing viewpoint is valid.

I don't think any of this is easy.

And I know there are many that say the programming is subpar. Well, welcome to the real world. Just exactly where have you been? And have you not noticed the rampant use of substandard "farms" to do some of the tasks that used to be handled by software companies in house. Many software devs import help from cheap sources-but companies like MS and Apple cannot get enough of the worker visas in the US for their needs. It can only be presumed that they go elsewhere-look at the list of credits on games today. You personally may be a great programmer but companies have to go cheap today so they may have people overseeing projects and programming lots of things in house, but a significant portion is likely to be farmed out for cheapness.


Absolutely do complain, but explain when you complain and be specific. It's why they ask us to submit bug reports, in order for them to look at the character we had the problem with at the time the bug occurred.

[MacDeath]

San Diego is located on the southern tip of California. And how is ignorance (A state of being uninformed) not contrary to knowledge?

Cabo San Lucus is located on the southern tip of California. San Diego is located near the border between the US and Mexico.

[N3gativeCr33p]

Let's be honest, though... this kind of negative/positive stuff happens on almost every gaming related forum on the interwebs. Been seeing it on forums since Socom 2 was at its height, back in 2003.

[Covington]

Let's be honest, though... this kind of negative/positive stuff happens on almost every gaming related forum on the interwebs. Been seeing it on forums since Socom 2 was at its height, back in 2003.

More to the point it happens in every Official forum, anything. TV, Movies, Gaming, Sports, Political. It's not just gaming. Fan run places are more heavily moderated to prevent flaming.

[Tyrannos]

Hi everyone,

We have closed this thread and would like to take a moment to explain why. We do welcome all feedback, even when it is negative or critical, but we do ask that it is respectful and constructive, please.

While we understand that it is frustrating to read negative posts and threads, creating threads to "reply" to or otherwise discuss these threads is not constructive and typically results in more disruption.

If anyone has questions or concerns about this thread closure, please feel free to contact us at community@defiance.com.
Thank you!