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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryzaerian View Post
    <drill sergeant voice>

    SON DO YOU EXPECT ME TO GO BACK TO MY SUPERIORS AND TELL THEM EVIL HAS OVERRAN EORZEA BECAUSE ONE OF MY ARCHERS WAS OUT ON THE DOCKS OBSERVING THE G-DARN SUNRISE AND/OR SUNSET INSTEAD OF MONITORING HIS PATROL LINE?

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    A bunch of level 50s were testing group content and they had a Parser (3rd party program that tracks the Combat Log to keep track of all the data) and they've got some interesting results.

    Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._theories_and/

    If you're too lazy to read it - here's a summary:

    BARD is by far the best DPS. It's consistently 2-3k higher than all of the other classes. The only time other classes come close is if they are played absolutely flawlessly. It's possible that unless this is changed "Bard Burning", or having nothing but Bards in the party for damage, will become the norm.

    The best tanking class is Warrior by a longshot. Paladins don't come close. You can basically go afk while healing a Warrior, but Paladins are very risky.

    The best stat to look for on gear for EVERY class is Critical Strike. The other stats are subpar on every class - including Black Mage and White Mage. Stacking Critical Strike Rating is the only way for other dps classes to come close to matching Bard dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malachi View Post

    The best tanking class is Warrior by a longshot. Paladins don't come close. You can basically go afk while healing a Warrior, but Paladins are very risky.
    I'd be very careful about making statements like these based on a very limited amount of testing during a closed beta. Not only did you take what was written in the article and ran with it (at no point does he say that Paladins "don't come close" or are "very risky" - just that they require healing whereas he could afk on a WAR), but you have to remember that the best trash mob tank is hardly the best endgame tank (I realize they used Cancer). It's too soon to make definitive statements about class rankings and/or abilities.
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    Most PAL's have self-healing abilities, too. I remember in XI how, although it wasn't the BEST pure tank, my PAL friends could also do backup healing. I think when people write some things, they fail to bring up the other more oblique benefits from different classes, and just focus on that flat-out position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obderiath View Post
    Most PAL's have self-healing abilities, too. I remember in XI how, although it wasn't the BEST pure tank, my PAL friends could also do backup healing. I think when people write some things, they fail to bring up the other more oblique benefits from different classes, and just focus on that flat-out position.
    FFXI had NIN tanks, which was just hax. xD Ultimately, I'll have all the tank jobs. And eventually, all the jobs period. It's just too early to discount a job based on some initial, situational, closed beta parsing.

    God, I can't wait till phase 4, so we can actually start building for the future. I'm trying to figure out how to stop sleeping. It's a waste of time. I've heard good things about m e t h. Well, except the rage, the teeth falling out, the sores, brain damage, etc. But besides all that, good stuff: real go-getter's drug. >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryzaerian View Post
    FFXI had NIN tanks, which was just hax. xD Ultimately, I'll have all the tank jobs. And eventually, all the jobs period. It's just too early to discount a job based on some initial, situational, closed beta parsing.

    God, I can't wait till phase 4, so we can actually start building for the future. I'm trying to figure out how to stop sleeping. It's a waste of time. I've heard good things about m e t h. Well, except the rage, the teeth falling out, the sores, brain damage, etc. But besides all that, good stuff: real go-getter's drug. >_>
    Ah, finally somebody that seems like they may stand a chance of keeping up with me in levels! I would challenge you to a race to 50, but I'm only racing to 25 and then I plan on slowing down and helping Shimo level because he's going Conjurer.

    As far as the parsing goes - that's just what the test results show at this point in time. I'm pretty sure things will change. Maybe not by Open Beta, but by launch or by the first patch. There's no way they're going to keep Bards as the top DPS. I expect Black Mages to get some buffs. And for the tanking, I bet the buff Paladin because it just doesn't have enough mitigation as the Warrior and that's like the one thing that tanks should be equal on - mitigation.

    Oh and Obbie - Paladins don't have any self-healing abilities in FFXIV. They've got an MP restore, that's all. Warrior actually has tons of self-healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malachi View Post

    Paladins don't have any self-healing abilities in FFXIV.
    Wait, what? That makes absolutely no sense. Paladins are holy warriors. Self-healing is an inherent, undeniable aspect of the class. How can you design a Paladin without self-healing? That's AWFUL design. If that remains true, I may have to evaluate if I'd rather play a warrior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryzaerian View Post
    Wait, what? That makes absolutely no sense. Paladins are holy warriors. Self-healing is an inherent, undeniable aspect of the class. How can you design a Paladin without self-healing? That's AWFUL design. If that remains true, I may have to evaluate if I'd rather play a warrior.
    Yep, check it out.

    All Warrior skills | All Paladin skills

    *some* of the self-healing abilities from Marauder are available to Paladins, but not all and none of the Warrior ones.

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    Just got some news. Apparently Yoshi-P was in-game and revealed some things.

    Phase 4 will be 1 week only.
    Arcanist will be available at phase 4
    Voice acting will be available at phase 4
    There will be some kind of exp bonus for secondary class after completion of first 50 class/job.
    HQ crafting from NQ materials will have adjustment.
    Source - http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...als_some_info/
    There's a source linked in there but I can't really read it.

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