I have some hard questions for trion. But a good chance to win back lost confidence.

[ralisti]

Trion Defiance has taken the stance of not answering anything with any type of definitive answer.

Why you may ask? Because they have been unable to accomplish even something simple, like pushing a patch, without turning it into an ordeal in what not to do.

Answering anything definitively means they leave a paper trace to their utter incompetence. If they do not answer, they can play the vague plausible deniability when they fail at whatever task they put their mind too.

It would not surprise me if they have no pushed 2-3 fixes for the arkfalls, but they are waiting until they accidentally fix it to claim they fixed it. Look at Freight yard and HotShot Dam Defense. How many times did they 'fix' it before they accidentally actually fixed it?

They are choosing the lesser of the evils. They would rather take heat for not responding to player concerns instead of proving they were turned down for employment by Funcom...

[Sanguinesun]

I suspect your right but that dosnt mean we should stop trying. If we simply roll over and say ok well that's busted again oh well.

To me we not only do a disservice to a product we paid for or in a lot of case are still paying for (via cash shop items) But we also are doing a disservice to ourselves.

Gamers are a different breed. We have so many great games on the market because we didn't settle for mediocre.
And there is so many flops on the market because companies keep exspecting us to.

The day we as gamers stop trying to make sure the games we invest our time money and espectations are met. Is the very day we should stop gaming all together. Because from that day forth we will only get half finished half hearted attempts at the things we love.

For better or worse its just like the mass effect3 debacle. They released what many seen as a subpar ending to one of the greatest trilogies in gaming . And enough gamers said you know what that isn't going to cut it. And they got results again for better or worse.


This game is no different forget all the crying threads and all the praise threads. Like it or hate it we have all invested some form of money and emotion into it. And that is reason enough to try and make it what it should be . If it dies because of next gen or because of just running its life span for most players so be it.

But for the love of gamers we shouldn't let a game die because we except below level developer results. Sure it happens and this is not the first nor last game that could happen to.

But that dosn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent it.

Other than you not patronizing future Trion products or services in a monetary fashion or telling others to avoid patronizing Trion, there is absolutely -nothing- you can do to hold them accountable for the state of this game. Period. That was the point I was making. 3 months prior to launch people reporting issues in Alpha, and here now 2 months after and many issues are still unresolved, new ones exist, first DLC still a comical betting pool for release(and we all know given the way things have gone, how horribly buggy that will most likely be) etc.

Comparing the ending issue with ME3 to the overall sweeping issues in this game gives further evidence that you're not exactly getting the scale of the problem. If you want to attempt to put ME3 in as an anaology, it would be as if content was unplayable, went away one week from the next, weapons were across the board completely imbalanced, and much much more. Not a story's ending.

You can't "prevent" anything in these regards to the game going south. The responsibility ball in is Trion's court. If you want to psych yourself out to think that you can wave a magic wand, sacrifice a chicken, or go on a hunger strike and have their team churn out everything to your or everyone else's satisfaction, be my guest... not gonna stop ya. Im just saying that it really wont make a difference.

[Sanguinesun]

That's the one thing Trion doesnt seem to understand or care about.
Never seen a deceloper who cares so little about the fan base. Hell THQ cared more.

Flagship studios
Cryptic studios
Netdevil
38 studios
Artifact Entertainment
Tulga Games
EI interactive

And the list goes on and on....

[Grymms]

Flagship studios
Cryptic studios
Netdevil
38 studios
Artifact Entertainment
Tulga Games
EI interactive

And the list goes on and on....

Sad to say they care more about the product they make then Trion

[Xaven]

Your point on a test server: pointless. Why? Because many of the same issues encounted in -Alpha- bugs wise that we reported then, multiple times, still continue to plague the game(one perfect example is the arkfall bugs).

To be honest with the 60 day mark for the layoff notice folks coming, the fact that many of the issues from before launch and now still exist, and the artful dodging of firm, transparent answers with specific time tables to resolve the issues and the DLC, folks like yourself need to move out of evaluating/judging them by what they "say" they'll do and simply judge them on what they do/have done. Once you step into that frame of thinking it should give you a better perspective on the futility of asking the bulk of your questions on such things.

I dont like it anymore than you do but there is very little that can be done by us to effectively change the situation.

Trion is NOTORIOUS for this. This has happened in just about every major update for RIFT concerning the PTS server. We spend our time to help them crack down and bugs before it goes live and just about every major thing reported goes live anyways. I do not know why they even bother.

[Xaven]

That's the one thing Trion doesnt seem to understand or care about.
Never seen a deceloper who cares so little about the fan base. Hell THQ cared more.

As far as Defiance goes I would say I agree. However with RIFT, their baby, early on most players agreed Trion's community efforts were unparallelled in the gaming industry. However some time before and since RIFT has gone F2P it has drastically changed. Trion in general is just a far different company than it started out to be and it is a shame but it is entirely due to their poor decisions and greed.

With all that said, I would not expect much to change for Defiance. They may release some mediocre DLC's and then expect the game to quickly be handed over to a skeleton team. This game is just not sustainable entertainment wise and business wise and Trion will focus whatever resources they have left on RIFT. This i am SURE of.

[Wraieth]

I would still like to see trion give answers to the questions I put forth.

[Sanguinesun]

I would still like to see trion give answers to the questions I put forth.

Im sure Richardsson will be along soon to wax poetic.

[Wraieth]

Im sure Richardsson will be along soon to wax poetic.

I get it you don't think we can change anything . I also get you think this thread is a waste. Fine why not move on ?

I for one have not lost all hope yet. And yes I would still like to see answers to the questions put forth. Its a great chance for trion to address player concerns and maybe turn around some of the negativity from its player base.

[Sanguinesun]

I get it you don't think we can change anything . I also get you think this thread is a waste. Fine why not move on ?

I for one have not lost all hope yet. And yes I would still like to see answers to the questions put forth. Its a great chance for trion to address player concerns and maybe turn around some of the negativity from its player base.

Let me ask you this:

If 6 months of the issues(alpha to now) hasn't improved things significantly with thousands(yes thousands) of people having already beaten you to the complaints, reports, feedback, etc across the official forums, the alpha forums, twitter, steam forums, reddit, twitch chat, etc, do you seriously think this thread will be the catalyst?

Why is "this chance" great to address and turn things around? Why not yesterday? Last week? Last month? 6 months ago? I encourage you to go look at those wonderful little blog posts by Richardsson that he churned out at game launch for a few weeks(and wisely stopped since he just kept digging a deeper hole for himself) and the comments to them. Read them again if you've read them previously. Compare them to the state of the game now overall and how things have remained the same essentially. Therein lies their true consistency.

How do you plan to hold Trion accountable to change? You keep speaking of hope but you fail to understand that you are at their mercy to grant said hope.... not that your plea effects their judgement to grant said hope. If such pleas were valid, then you'd not have hellbug arkfalls that continue to not work properly from January of this year, or push to talk, or a better UI, and the list rambles aimlessly on.

Let me give you another example: the red crystal hellbug arkfalls issue(skitterlings being killed off by players before the weak spots are made thus causing griefing and other issues). Feedback against this was given in alpha. Players have been complaining about it repeatedly across multiple venues. No dev would address it.

Until last friday, when I finally got Trick Dempsey to answer it in the twitch stream. His response? Its a god awful design and they plan to change it.

Great. When? How? etc.? Not answered. Some one more naive or new to the ways of how they've dealt with issues would think that response to be fantastic and magical, but in reality it isnt. Because while it has been admitted to and acknowledged, the issue is still there and I dare say it will be there for quite a while to go yet.

Why? Because they can. And more importantly, because that's what they do; and they've again been 100% consistent in this regard.

So yes you again are welcome to have your hope. Have it in ample rainbow abundance. It is all you can have at this point really.